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locked Re: Reply to both Group and Sender?

 

I get what Jeff is saying. The 'reply all' from email (at least, gmail) still goes only to the group. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Jeff Powell <jrpstonecarver@...> wrote:

Actually, Ro, that won't do what I want, and I just looked at it in my test group.

I want the person getting a post from the group to be able to hit "reply" or "reply-all" in their email software to get a message addressed back to both the group and the poster of the message they are replying to.

If I do what you suggest, they can only reply to the group and the links at the bottom of the message won't include the "Reply to Sender" option, which - right now - is the only easy way to accomplish that when the default for the group is to reply back to the entire group.

I hope that makes sense. It's disturbingly difficult to discuss this sort of stuff in writing.  ;)

--jeffp


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Reply to both Group and Sender?

Jeff Powell <jrpstonecarver@...>
 

Actually, Ro, that won't do what I want, and I just looked at it in my test group.

I want the person getting a post from the group to be able to hit "reply" or "reply-all" in their email software to get a message addressed back to both the group and the poster of the message they are replying to.

If I do what you suggest, they can only reply to the group and the links at the bottom of the message won't include the "Reply to Sender" option, which - right now - is the only easy way to accomplish that when the default for the group is to reply back to the entire group.

I hope that makes sense. It's disturbingly difficult to discuss this sort of stuff in writing.  ;)

--jeffp


locked Re: Reply to both Group and Sender?

 

Scratch that, the 'private' button already allows them to surmount moderation in that respect. So no additional problems there. I would just prefer to discourage, rather than explicitly encourage further, offlist replies.

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On Sep 5, 2016, at 12:00 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

It should also not be available to members on moderation, since it provides a way to surmount the moderation. I would vote against this feature, bottom line.

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On Sep 5, 2016, at 11:58 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

Is it true that in yahoo, this can only be done via email? Either way, I would want a way to disable it. We have enough problems in my group due to offlist communication (including the propagation of bad medical advice not subject to scrutiny by the group) without providing an easy way to do more of it (I.e., encourage it). If this is implemented I would *strongly* prefer a disable button and/or that it only be possible only via email replies (no 'group and individual' button on the site).

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On Sep 5, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

jeffp,

But it would make our lives easier if replying to both the sender and
the group was possible.
I'd support "Group and Sender" in a group's Reply To option.

I can also see it being useful in groups where most members are on digest or read by web (special notices / no email).

Shal

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Reply to both Group and Sender?

 

It should also not be available to members on moderation, since it provides a way to surmount the moderation. I would vote against this feature, bottom line.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2016, at 11:58 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

Is it true that in yahoo, this can only be done via email? Either way, I would want a way to disable it. We have enough problems in my group due to offlist communication (including the propagation of bad medical advice not subject to scrutiny by the group) without providing an easy way to do more of it (I.e., encourage it). If this is implemented I would *strongly* prefer a disable button and/or that it only be possible only via email replies (no 'group and individual' button on the site).

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

jeffp,

But it would make our lives easier if replying to both the sender and
the group was possible.
I'd support "Group and Sender" in a group's Reply To option.

I can also see it being useful in groups where most members are on digest or read by web (special notices / no email).

Shal

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Reply to both Group and Sender?

 

Is it true that in yahoo, this can only be done via email? Either way, I would want a way to disable it. We have enough problems in my group due to offlist communication (including the propagation of bad medical advice not subject to scrutiny by the group) without providing an easy way to do more of it (I.e., encourage it). If this is implemented I would *strongly* prefer a disable button and/or that it only be possible only via email replies (no 'group and individual' button on the site).

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

jeffp,

But it would make our lives easier if replying to both the sender and
the group was possible.
I'd support "Group and Sender" in a group's Reply To option.

I can also see it being useful in groups where most members are on digest or read by web (special notices / no email).

Shal



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Reply to both Group and Sender?

 

jeffp,

But it would make our lives easier if replying to both the sender and
the group was possible.
I'd support "Group and Sender" in a group's Reply To option.

I can also see it being useful in groups where most members are on digest or read by web (special notices / no email).

Shal


locked Re: Reply to both Group and Sender?

Ro
 

Have you tried checking the "reply to group" and then unchecking the box "remove other reply options".   I believe doing this allows optional reply choices.  


Ro

with Sally and Silk waiting at their feed dishes, and Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond.





From: beta@groups.io <beta@groups.io> on behalf of Jeff Powell <jrpstonecarver@...>
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:42 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Reply to both Group and Sender?
 

Hi All. At the risk of opening old wounds - I did some searching in the archive before posting this - I want to ask a question.

Y!G gives the option of replying to both the group and to the sender, rather than just to one or the other. I moderate a group with 1750 members who have been trained in that for one specific reason: it allows them to edit the TO line and thus easily change their reply destination.

Over on Yahoo - where things are a bit inconsistent, I freely admit - and using any of a zillion email clients, we've seen all kinds of behaviors around replies. Some software respects reply-to headers, some doesn't, etc. I am sure you all know that. What the option to reply to both the group and the sender allows is that edit of the TO line, and yet it preserves the included message itself for context (unlike the reply to sender link at the bottom of a message, which doesn't save such a thing, and might not work at all if someone's mailto handling is messed up).

So... again, at the risk of asking a hot question: has there been any consideration of allowing replies to go back to both the group and the sender as an option? If not, may I suggest that as a feature enhancement request?

For the moment, we're configuring for reply to the group. That's the more natural default in our case, and if the option of replying to both is off the table, we'll live. But it would make our lives easier if replying to both the sender and the group was possible.

Thanks for considering it, and I hope I haven't hit a nerve. There were a lot of messages on topics related to this and I couldn't read them all. Given they go back well into 2015, I'm not even sure which ones are really relevant based on the subject lines.

--jeffp


locked Reply to both Group and Sender?

Jeff Powell <jrpstonecarver@...>
 

Hi All. At the risk of opening old wounds - I did some searching in the archive before posting this - I want to ask a question.

Y!G gives the option of replying to both the group and to the sender, rather than just to one or the other. I moderate a group with 1750 members who have been trained in that for one specific reason: it allows them to edit the TO line and thus easily change their reply destination.

Over on Yahoo - where things are a bit inconsistent, I freely admit - and using any of a zillion email clients, we've seen all kinds of behaviors around replies. Some software respects reply-to headers, some doesn't, etc. I am sure you all know that. What the option to reply to both the group and the sender allows is that edit of the TO line, and yet it preserves the included message itself for context (unlike the reply to sender link at the bottom of a message, which doesn't save such a thing, and might not work at all if someone's mailto handling is messed up).

So... again, at the risk of asking a hot question: has there been any consideration of allowing replies to go back to both the group and the sender as an option? If not, may I suggest that as a feature enhancement request?

For the moment, we're configuring for reply to the group. That's the more natural default in our case, and if the option of replying to both is off the table, we'll live. But it would make our lives easier if replying to both the sender and the group was possible.

Thanks for considering it, and I hope I haven't hit a nerve. There were a lot of messages on topics related to this and I couldn't read them all. Given they go back well into 2015, I'm not even sure which ones are really relevant based on the subject lines.

--jeffp


locked Re: Special Handling of Image Attachments

 

LAurence,

Unless the picture is extracted from a web site somewhere, it will
still have to be attached to the email.
There's a third possibility, the image might be encoded inside the HTML message body itself. See the data: scheme in the background info I posted on GMF:
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/756

As I understand it (which could be wrong), an "inline" image needs to be
in an HTML message because it depends on HTML code to decode it and put
it in the right place.
Correct. In a plain-text message an image can only be conveyed as a file attachment.

(And in some cases text readers won't show it at all because the message
headers are such that the email client doesn't realise the attachment is
there.)
An email user interface that works only in plain text, or one that is set to display plain text, indeed may not see an inline image at all.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Difficulty Viewing Archives

 

Hi Ella,

Hi, Whenever I view list archives I can't see the messages.
What's wrong?
There are many possibilities. The first "is it plugged in" questions are whether the group's archives are private (members only) and whether you are logged in.

If the blue bar at the top of the page says "Log In" and "Sign Up" on the right-hand side then you are not logged in, and cannot see private messages. You can see message in this group, beta@, because the archives here are open to the public.

If that's not the problem, please join one of the user-to-user help groups (links below) and post there with more details about what you tried and what you see. I'm sure we'll be able to help you sort out the problem.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Difficulty Viewing Archives

Ella Yu <ellaxyu@...>
 

Hi, Whenever I view list archives I can't see the messages. What's wrong?


locked Re: "From" on a topic

Duane
 

The figleafed part should be "xxxxx+owner@ groups.iogroups.io", without the space.

Duane


locked "From" on a topic

Duane
 

I posted a new topic this morning on one of my groups. I chose "Group Owner" as the sender. However, when it posted, it showed my user name and avatar. I would expect it to show "Group Owner" or "Group Moderator"(preferred for me) as the sender and an avatar for that account, if one existed, so that it could be easily differentiated.

I also noticed that while composing the message, it showed "xxxxx+owner@groups.iogroups.io" in the sender box. It does show the correct From, without the extra "groups.io", in the View Source of the post though.

Thanks,
Duane


locked Re: Special Handling of Image Attachments

Laurence Taylor
 

Nightowl >8# <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

As John is explaining, I wanted to put a picture of our new car in
Hollow Tree. Since most of my friends use e-mail and not the interface,
I wanted to post the photo inline, not as an attachment.
Unless the picture is extracted from a web site somewhere, it will still
have to be attached to the email.

As I understand it (which could be wrong), an "inline" image needs to be in
an HTML message because it depends on HTML code to decode it and put it in
the right place. (And in some cases text readers won't show it at all
because the message headers are such that the email client doesn't realise
the attachment is there.)

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rgds
LAurence
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...Tagline?


locked Re: Special Handling of Image Attachments #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Okay, I finally succeeded in posting the car photo in Hollow Tree.

Here are some things to note:
When I successfully posted the photo in GMF, some saw it, but one person says they didn't Any ideas why?

I had to not only change my posting preference in my profile to HTML, but I also had to set the group not to strip attachments. Fortunately, when I put everything back to Plain Text and Strip, the photo stays there.

I concur with John that it can be confusing, so I agree with John's suggestions about images only or telling you pictures aren't allowed.

Thanks, sorry for all the confusion,

Brenda


locked Re: Special Handling of Image Attachments #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

As John is explaining, I wanted to put a picture of our new car in Hollow Tree. Since most of my friends use e-mail and not the interface, I wanted to post the photo inline, not as an attachment.

I first tried to do it in Shal's Test, but I didn't know what to do. So I went in GMF and asked them. Then, after others put photos in and showed me how, I tried it in there, and after I changed my posting setting to HTML instead of plain text, it seemed to work in there.

So then I tried to put it in Hollow Tree, and it didn't work. I tried editing and doing it again, and it didn't work. Instead of annoying my friends (although some of them are wanting to see the car),  I went in Shal's Test and tried changing settings because John wondered if I needed to allow attachments.

I finally got the photo to show up in Shal's Test, but I don't know if anyone saw it in their e-mail because people can't reply in Shal's test.

But John has a good idea, for image or inline allowance in a group that strips attachments.

Also, does the mail client strip things too? The two tests Shal did with an inline photo gave me a broken image link in my e-mail.

I'm confused, I don't know how to assure that it will work in Hollow Tree, and I don't want to try again until I know.

Can anyone in here help?

Brenda



locked Special Handling of Image Attachments #suggestion

 

I noticed Brenda having some difficulty attempting to post a photo to her group, which is set to strip attachments. That apparently also includes images, even though the HTML web editor shows the image when composing the message. The resulting message shows no image in the group archives, and the mail received by members contains a broken image tag.

My suggestion is to add an "Images Only" attachment setting. Some groups might strip or bounce messages with attachments, because they don't want someone sending out BigBadVirus.zip, but they might not mind members sharing pictures with each other. This setting would add that flexibility.

If a group is set to strip or bounce attachments, either the HTML editor should not allow them to be added, or if it does (because you could send a picture as a private reply even if the group doesn't allow them), the button to post them to the group should display an error that pictures are not allowed in the group, due to its attachments setting.

Thanks,

JohnF


locked Site Updates #changelog

 

The main focus this week (and last week), were the changes needed to support the Enterprise verison (aka your own domain). It's almost complete.

Other changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: Switched internal DNS resolution to use our own resolver instead of using Linode's resolver, to fix some issues.
  • CHANGE: Don't display Subgroups sidebar option when there are no subgroups.
  • NEW: When a member is added or joins a subgroup, the name on their parent subscription is used on the subgroup subscription.
  • BUGFIX: We weren't restoring signatures after a leave/resub cycle.
  • INTERNAL: Changed text extraction code to use the server version of Apache Tika, to speed up processing.
  • CHANGE: Process FBL requests from hotmail.com
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  • CHANGE: Using ImageMagick's identify for image dimensions/exif extraction, because it recognizes more image formats and is faster.
  • BUGFIX: Short dates sometimes weren't being displayed correctly.

I will be off until Tuesday. Have a good weekend everybody!

Mark


locked Re: Applying names to members in the main group- carryover to subgroups.

 

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 3:42 AM, Mike Fay via Groups.io <mikefay8888@...> wrote:
Great- Thanks Mark I take it the change is in effect moving forward- but that any names that had already been applied will not transfer to the subgroups ?

That's correct.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: FBL turned on for aol.com members

Nightowl >8#
 

Okay, Shal,

My friend called and said she accidentally marked a message as spam.

Does that mean you still want the e-mail she received, or is that not relevant now? I forgot to ask her to save it, so answer me fast. ;)

She was able to use the resubscribe link in the mail from groups.io to get back to the group page, but it had been too long to automatically resubscribe her. It said she was applying for membership, I watched her appear in pending and approved her again.

Hopefully no more problems.

Brenda

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