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locked Re: Change presentation for Subgroups #suggestion

Ro
 

100 percent agree. Why have a sub group link to click if you dont have any?


I dont find the admin drop down cumbersome, only two clicks to get where you want to go, one more than before, and one doesnt have to search thru all the headings to find admin stuff


Ro

with Sally and Silk waiting at their feed dishes, and Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond.





From: beta@groups.io <beta@groups.io> on behalf of JohnF via Groups.io <johnf1686@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:45 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Change presentation for Subgroups #wishlist #suggestion
 
I would suggest that if the group has no subgroups, then the side menu bar item should not appear.  At least not for ordinary members.

I'm also thinking there's likely a better way to present them, but I don't have any new ideas at the moment.

JohnF




locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

 

I notice that below "Admin," the word "Integrations" sticks out to the left. It always makes me think it defines the boundary of the Admin items. Could it be shifted right so that it lines up with the rest?
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locked Re: Change presentation for Subgroups #suggestion

Maria
 

Some other ideas to address the issues raised re: making subgroup activity more visible (especially for web only users):

- the subgroup menu could have a number (as drafts and pending do) if there are new messages in sub-groups you are subscribed to which you haven't checked out since your last login? Or in past 7 days? Or another variable - and of course all the usual issues with how to decide what's "new" to someone apply.. but it could just be an indicator, perhaps not perfect science. Maybe it could just be an icon to signal activity exists since your last login - nothing numerical.

- The subgroup listing of subgroups you are subscribed to could have the one with most recent activity on top - so they change order based on recent activity, or change color if you haven't clicked on them ( or vice versa), like the browser does with messages (grey/blue).

- The most recent topic/s or message/s could be shown under the listing for each sub-group so that you see a snippet and get a sense of what's going on in there.

- When/ If there is a notification overhaul: activity in a sub-group could be something one could opt in to being notified of as an in browser notification. FB does this when you don't log in for a while to tell you "what's going on". While they send that via email- if you allow them to - it could perhaps just be something within the web interface via a notifications area. Again - the usual problem of how to decide what's recent, and what's new exist - but it's something that may help make activity within sub-groups more dynamically represented to users who may otherwise not check them?

Just some thoughts.

Maria



locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

 

Yes, remembering it's expanded would be great. Thanks.
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locked Re: Change presentation for Subgroups #suggestion

 

I would suggest that if the group has no subgroups, then the side menu bar item should not appear. At least not for ordinary members.

I'm also thinking there's likely a better way to present them, but I don't have any new ideas at the moment.

JohnF


locked Question from one of my members:

weebeequilting <weebee.1@...>
 

I received this message this morning from one of my members:


I am not sure if others are experiencing this but it appears that after a Microsoft Edge update a while back I can no longer click on a message item in the posted Emails and jump to that item.  I must scroll down.  Don't know why, possibly a setting was changed in my program.


I wrote back and asked him to identify the device he is using.  He wrote back and said:  I am using a PC Windows 10.  It used to work with my PC I don't know what changed.


Is there any information I can pass along to him regarding this change?  Thanks.


Janice B

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locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 1:14 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I think it's too much of a burden to place on group owners to have to do two clicks for everything they need to do as admins. The first thing I normally do when going into my group is to check on the activity log. That now takes two clicks.

If I make it remember whether you have expanded the Admin menu or not, would that address your concerns? 

I like the Admin menu, for the reasons stated in this thread, and think it makes the service better. But happy to tweak.


Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Change presentation for Subgroups #suggestion

 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I'd actually go a step further and have subgroups that one is subscribed to shown similarly to the example I posted from BleepingComputer.

Things hidden under controls simply don't often get attention.  Subgroups still remain substantially buried.

I see your point, but I'm not sure about adding them to the archives pages.. Let me ponder it a bit.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Change presentation for Subgroups #suggestion

 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:30 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:21 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Subgroups are sorted by name and the ones you're not subscribed to are shown first

 Very cool! But I'd suggest having the ones you *are* subscribed to shown first and then the ones you are not subscribed to but that are available to apply to shown after.


Done!

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

 

I think it's too much of a burden to place on group owners to have to do two clicks for everything they need to do as admins. The first thing I normally do when going into my group is to check on the activity log. That now takes two clicks. Others may do other things first. Anything now under "Admin" that a good number of moderators do first thing on going into their groups is going to be a headache unless you make the "Admin" grouping an option or get rid of it altogether. What about simply putting "Admin" as a format-only difference - place it below all the regular functions in bigger letters, perhaps slightly left-indented, to set those functions off as a group?

I am just as opposed as ever to cosmetic changes that lessen actual usability. That's now the case with so many of the unnecessary (IMO) menu groupings that currently exist as hierarchies and that would actually make life simpler (if not the looks less cluttered) if they were eliminated entirely.

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locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

Maria
 

Or you could just have the pending messages section have a link/tab/dropdown so you can access pending members there too. 

Keep the members going to the member list but have pending have a direct connection to pending messages and pending members. 

I vote against getting rid of the new admin menu ( no surprise) :) - but am all for making the navigation simpler for pending items - without sacrificing the other important pages that one goes to maybe less often but that also require easy access.

Maria 


locked Re: Change presentation for Subgroups #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I'd actually go a step further and have subgroups that one is subscribed to shown similarly to the example I posted from BleepingComputer.

Things hidden under controls simply don't often get attention.  Subgroups still remain substantially buried.

The above being said, this is still a significant improvement.  I also agree with Maria that the groups one is subscribed to should "bubble to the top of the list" rather than those one is not subscribed to.
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locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

 

Couple of problems here:

1. The numeral under the word "Members" in the sidebar is cut off at the bottom

2. There's now no easy way to get to the actual members list, since the pending members has taken the place of it.

I'd vote for getting rid of the whole "Admin" setup. 
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locked add (or substitute) "removed" noticed in addition to (or instead of) "banned"

 

It seems there's no automatic notice feature for when someone is removed from a group, only when they're banned. I think members are going to be removed far more often than they're going to be banned.

Could the "banned" notice be changed to go out when someone is simply removed? (The "banned" noticed could stay, but would seem to be seldom used anyway, so this could be a simple substitution.)
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locked Re: keep history available for members who left #suggestion

 

Sounds like that might be good enough. 

What happens if the person has a Groups.io profile? Would we get this proposed "all activities" search, or would we get just their profile, as we get now? Is there a way to get both?

Would the activities search give us anything beyond what we can get right now by doing our own activities search?

Thanks.
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locked Re: keep history available for members who left #suggestion

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:11 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

When a member leaves the group, I'd like to be able to recall something about who they are and what they were doing in the group. Is it possible, when a group member leaves, to retain a "unsubscribed/left member" page and to offer the option, when the member leaves, of deleting it or keeping it?

Hmm. What if, if someone has left the group, if you click their name/email address in the activity log, instead of going to their subscription page, which is what it would do if the person were still a member, it returns a search of all their activities in the group? 

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Change presentation for Subgroups #suggestion

Maria
 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:21 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Subgroups are sorted by name and the ones you're not subscribed to are shown first

 Very cool! But I'd suggest having the ones you *are* subscribed to shown first and then the ones you are not subscribed to but that are available to apply to shown after.

Maria


locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

 

HI All,

I've just made two changes to reduce the number of clicks needed to approve pending messages and members:

  • If there are any pending messages or members, the Admin menu is always shown as expanded.
  • If there are pending members, clicking on the Members link will take you directly to the Pending Members display.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks, Mark


locked Re: Change presentation for Subgroups #suggestion

 

Hi All,

I just pushed a first pass at a Subgroups page. It's a new sidebar menu item. Subgroups are sorted by name and the ones you're not subscribed to are shown first. The page doesn't infinite scroll yet, but will like the others when I'm done with it. Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Maria,

             What you say makes perfect sense if you have that many subgroups.  It would be interesting, though far more coding work [which I'm not proposing, by the way], to do something like if there are 5 or fewer subgroups just present them sans the need for a button or link and if more present the link that would reveal them.

              The button, link, alone would be enough to greatly increase general user recognition of the presence/existence of subgroups.  That would be fine as far as I'm concerned.

               Fifty subgroups of a single group suggests to me that you really have more than one group that you're bundling under one very general umbrella group.
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Brian

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locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 05:26 am, HR Tech wrote:

Even before the re-organization of the admin menu items, I was feeling that we need a quicker way to get to:

1- pending messages

2- pending members

Absolutely. It was borderline before, but four clicks I'd call unacceptable. I like the idea of pulling "pending" stuff out, even more than just out of "Admin." It already took THREE clicks to get to pending members. 
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