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locked Re: Black Nav. bar

Duane
 

The button is a good compromise. I don't have a smartphone or tablet, so I tend not to think of the small screen much. Hopefully it will work with screen readers. Anyone using one?

Thanks,
Duane


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Mark,

Based on your subscription, you either have muted threads & hashtags,
or followed threads & hashtags. You're either excluding or including
things to be delivered to you.
I had imagined one might do both. For example, follow a given hashtag but mute some of the threads that have it. More generally, I had presumed that thread following/muting had priority over hashtags.

Inbox will be what you would get sent to you in email if your Email
Delivery setting was set to Individual Messages (regardless of what
your Email Delivery setting actually is).
And as if your Message Selection were set to "All Messages" (the union of all your groups' Archives)?

If the Inbox is selected by the "Following Only" control it would seem to (needlessly) mirror the Followed tabs. The web-only user still wants (I think) a place with all threads from which to select the ones of future interest.

Does that make sense? If it does, then I think the current newsubpage
makes sense? Too complicated?
I think the concept of distinct exclude and include modes of operation is an unnecessary conceptual complication. And I still think that "Auto Follow Replies" usefully applies also to web-only readers (and hence doesn't belong in a Message Selection option, which I claim ought to be only for email).

So... does that make sense to you?

Or am I the one who's proposing something that will prove too complicated in actual use?

-- Shal


locked Re: Black Nav. bar

 

I generally dislike navbars that never disappear, especially on smaller screens where it takes up real estate. But a scroll to the top button is easy and I agree makes sense. I've added one; let me know if you see any problems. I've also renamed Inbox to Your Inbox.

Thanks,
Mark

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Firefox under W7HP, the box is there all the time, but scrolls off the top of the screen as I scroll down.

Duane








locked Re: Black Nav. bar

Duane
 

On Firefox under W7HP, the box is there all the time, but scrolls off the top of the screen as I scroll down.

Duane


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Frances
 

Hi Mark,

I adjusted the description on my family group home page so that there is a link to Archives. I think having something right there would suit them better. Is there a problem with this?


When I logged out, looked for my group in the directory and clicked on the link on my home page, it required me (properly) to log in.

I guess though I am not happy with the idea of having to do a workaround at this point in Groups.io!

Frances

On Jan 22 15, at 6:08 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Hi again,

Mark, you said:  When viewing a specific group that you're subscribed to, there will be tabs on the sidebar for muted threads/hashtags, or followed threads/hashtags, allowing you to see what you've muted/followed, and letting you undo those actions. The group archives will always show all the group messages, from which you can mute or follow new things..

Well, I have been thinking that the only bit I don’t care for is the absence of actual posts on the “home page” of each specific group.
Someone who is less confident with the web might be confused when they go to that landing page for their group and they don’t see any messages. They must select “Archive” - perhaps not a particularly useful label.

And I was wondering whether instead of tabs on the side (losing the other links, perhaps?), how about This Subscription in a line with Thread View, etc.

This carries on from Your Subscriptions in the Inbox of Groups.io - same content but group specific. Just a thought. Tidier?

Frances

On Jan 22 15, at 5:38 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,

I think it does make sense.

I like that I will also be able to see the status of an individual group by the tabs on the side bar. 

Frances

On Jan 22 15, at 12:26 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I think I've confused myself. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've confused myself. Let's ignore for a minute how the Inbox/Muted Threads/etc tabs actually work on the home page. How should all this work? Here's a proposal:

Based on your subscription, you either have muted threads & hashtags, or followed threads & hashtags. You're either excluding or including things to be delivered to you.

When viewing a specific group that you're subscribed to, there will be tabs on the sidebar for muted threads/hashtags, or followed threads/hashtags, allowing you to see what you've muted/followed, and letting you undo those actions. The group archives will always show all the group messages, from which you can mute or follow new things..

When going to groups.io (aka the home page), there will be tabs for Inbox, Muted Thread, Muted Hashtags, Followed Threads, Followed Hashtags. The Muted and Followed tabs are just aggregations over all your subscriptions. Inbox will be what you would get sent to you in email if your Email Delivery setting was set to Individual Messages (regardless of what your Email Delivery setting actually is).

Does that make sense? If it does, then I think the current newsubpage makes sense? Too complicated?

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Mark,

> I also put Auto Follow Replies under Following Only, because that's
> the only option that applies to it.

I note that a checkmark there disappears (leaving an empty gray box) when you click "All Messages", and does not reappear when you click "Following Only" again. Same if you click "No Email" and then click "Individual Messages" again.

There's a minor issue that I'd prefer that the prior state be retained when one switches and switches back.

The more major issue is that I think "Auto Follow Replies" is a useful option for members that have selected "Special Notices Only" or "No Email" because they prefer reading messages via the "Followed Threads" tab in their Groups.io Inbox. That's the use case that makes me think it should be broken out as a stand-alone option, unaffected by Email Delivery or Message Selection.

That's assuming the necessary changes are made to the Follow/Mute affordances so that one can manage one's Followed Threads without receiving email.

Unless I've completely misunderstood.

-- Shal









locked Re: New Subscription Options

Frances
 

Hi again,

Mark, you said:  When viewing a specific group that you're subscribed to, there will be tabs on the sidebar for muted threads/hashtags, or followed threads/hashtags, allowing you to see what you've muted/followed, and letting you undo those actions. The group archives will always show all the group messages, from which you can mute or follow new things..

Well, I have been thinking that the only bit I don’t care for is the absence of actual posts on the “home page” of each specific group.
Someone who is less confident with the web might be confused when they go to that landing page for their group and they don’t see any messages. They must select “Archive” - perhaps not a particularly useful label.

And I was wondering whether instead of tabs on the side (losing the other links, perhaps?), how about This Subscription in a line with Thread View, etc.

This carries on from Your Subscriptions in the Inbox of Groups.io - same content but group specific. Just a thought. Tidier?

Frances

On Jan 22 15, at 5:38 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,

I think it does make sense.

I like that I will also be able to see the status of an individual group by the tabs on the side bar. 

Frances

On Jan 22 15, at 12:26 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I think I've confused myself. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've confused myself. Let's ignore for a minute how the Inbox/Muted Threads/etc tabs actually work on the home page. How should all this work? Here's a proposal:

Based on your subscription, you either have muted threads & hashtags, or followed threads & hashtags. You're either excluding or including things to be delivered to you.

When viewing a specific group that you're subscribed to, there will be tabs on the sidebar for muted threads/hashtags, or followed threads/hashtags, allowing you to see what you've muted/followed, and letting you undo those actions. The group archives will always show all the group messages, from which you can mute or follow new things..

When going to groups.io (aka the home page), there will be tabs for Inbox, Muted Thread, Muted Hashtags, Followed Threads, Followed Hashtags. The Muted and Followed tabs are just aggregations over all your subscriptions. Inbox will be what you would get sent to you in email if your Email Delivery setting was set to Individual Messages (regardless of what your Email Delivery setting actually is).

Does that make sense? If it does, then I think the current newsubpage makes sense? Too complicated?

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Mark,

> I also put Auto Follow Replies under Following Only, because that's
> the only option that applies to it.

I note that a checkmark there disappears (leaving an empty gray box) when you click "All Messages", and does not reappear when you click "Following Only" again. Same if you click "No Email" and then click "Individual Messages" again.

There's a minor issue that I'd prefer that the prior state be retained when one switches and switches back.

The more major issue is that I think "Auto Follow Replies" is a useful option for members that have selected "Special Notices Only" or "No Email" because they prefer reading messages via the "Followed Threads" tab in their Groups.io Inbox. That's the use case that makes me think it should be broken out as a stand-alone option, unaffected by Email Delivery or Message Selection.

That's assuming the necessary changes are made to the Follow/Mute affordances so that one can manage one's Followed Threads without receiving email.

Unless I've completely misunderstood.

-- Shal








locked Re: New Subscription Options

Frances
 

Hi Mark,

I think it does make sense.

I like that I will also be able to see the status of an individual group by the tabs on the side bar. 

Frances

On Jan 22 15, at 12:26 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I think I've confused myself. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've confused myself. Let's ignore for a minute how the Inbox/Muted Threads/etc tabs actually work on the home page. How should all this work? Here's a proposal:

Based on your subscription, you either have muted threads & hashtags, or followed threads & hashtags. You're either excluding or including things to be delivered to you.

When viewing a specific group that you're subscribed to, there will be tabs on the sidebar for muted threads/hashtags, or followed threads/hashtags, allowing you to see what you've muted/followed, and letting you undo those actions. The group archives will always show all the group messages, from which you can mute or follow new things..

When going to groups.io (aka the home page), there will be tabs for Inbox, Muted Thread, Muted Hashtags, Followed Threads, Followed Hashtags. The Muted and Followed tabs are just aggregations over all your subscriptions. Inbox will be what you would get sent to you in email if your Email Delivery setting was set to Individual Messages (regardless of what your Email Delivery setting actually is).

Does that make sense? If it does, then I think the current newsubpage makes sense? Too complicated?

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Mark,

> I also put Auto Follow Replies under Following Only, because that's
> the only option that applies to it.

I note that a checkmark there disappears (leaving an empty gray box) when you click "All Messages", and does not reappear when you click "Following Only" again. Same if you click "No Email" and then click "Individual Messages" again.

There's a minor issue that I'd prefer that the prior state be retained when one switches and switches back.

The more major issue is that I think "Auto Follow Replies" is a useful option for members that have selected "Special Notices Only" or "No Email" because they prefer reading messages via the "Followed Threads" tab in their Groups.io Inbox. That's the use case that makes me think it should be broken out as a stand-alone option, unaffected by Email Delivery or Message Selection.

That's assuming the necessary changes are made to the Follow/Mute affordances so that one can manage one's Followed Threads without receiving email.

Unless I've completely misunderstood.

-- Shal







locked Re: Black Nav. bar

Frances
 

Hi Duane

When does the black nav bar disappear? It doesn’t in Safari or Firefox on my MacAir.

Frances

On Jan 22 15, at 3:18 PM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@thetravelzine.com> wrote:

Hi Duane,
Would others like to see the top nav bar stay visible like
I would?
Absolutely!

Mark,
I'd like to request a tweak of the nav bar:
"Your Inbox", right under GROUPS.IO.
As Yahoo Groups never had an Inbox,
it would call attention to it.

About New Subscription Options, you asked:
"Too complicated?"
Maybe I'm just getting old, but so are my members!
My answer is YES, it's too complicated!
Please give us a simpler "option" as the default.

Thanks,
Linda





locked Replying to messages

 

a comment from my husband (who joined my group),

"Don't reckon much of the way 'Reply' moves to the top of the page, so's you can't see your reply box, but that may just be a linux thing.

And hitting return gives me two lines worth of space, not one.

So I have to backspace a line to tidy things up."


locked Re: Black Nav. bar

Linda
 

Hi Duane,
Would others like to see the top nav bar stay visible like
I would?
Absolutely!

Mark,
I'd like to request a tweak of the nav bar:
"Your Inbox", right under GROUPS.IO.
As Yahoo Groups never had an Inbox,
it would call attention to it.

About New Subscription Options, you asked:
"Too complicated?"
Maybe I'm just getting old, but so are my members!
My answer is YES, it's too complicated!
Please give us a simpler "option" as the default.

Thanks,
Linda


locked Black Nav. bar

Duane
 

Would others like to see the top nav bar stay visible like I would? Either that or a button at the bottom of the archive pages (and others?) to take me to the top? I've noticed myself scrolling up and down quite often to use the bar and realized that some would have difficulty doing that. Many times I'll have several tabs open to coordinate things I've seen in various places. Having the bar there all the time would be my preference.

Duane


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Duane
 

" Inbox will be what you would get sent to you in email if your Email Delivery setting was set to Individual Messages (regardless of what your Email Delivery setting actually is)."

So anything that would be delivered (or not) under these circumstances would also be delivered (or not) according to actual delivery settings (individual/digest/special/none)? In other words, what we see in the Inbox view may or may not be sent via email depending on our individual delivery settings. (I tend to use the web only, but I know many prefer to use email when possible.)

Possibly adding a "Cancel" button on the subscription settings page would be useful if someone changes their mind?

Thanks,
Duane


locked Re: Calendar is live

 

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
I noticed this morning that when I look at an event, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to get back to the place in the Calendar that I was looking at.  It may be because I'm owner.  I have to click on Calendar again, then click forward to where I was, if another month/week, etc.

I just fixed the breadcrumbs (links at the top of the page), so that at least they're a little consistent. Clicking the calendar doesn't get you back to the specific date you were looking at yet, I'll add that to the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Strange Bug in creating a Wiki Page Title

 

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Ellen <esbaru@...> wrote:

I think I just figured it out. I wanted the name of the page to be Newly Diagnosed?.  Looks like you cannot put a question mark in the Title of the page.


That's correct. Like many (all?) wikis, question marks aren't allowed in page titles. We should be more clear about that.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Judy F.
 

Thanks Shal, I didn't realize that Outlook was doing that. At least my
memory hasn't totally failed me.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:09 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: RE: [beta] Date/Time on messages #suggestions

Judy,

Maybe the reason it is set up like that is due to the various time
differences.
I suspect you're right. Relative time ("ago") is the same no matter what
time zone the user is in.

Frances I cant remember if I indicated in my profile on Yahoo Groups
what time zone I am in, I think I did, so my messages, etc. have the
date/time for my time zone.
Yes, the time zone listed in your Yahoo Account Info page is used to display
date/time information throughout Yahoo - except on calendars (they have
their own).

It used to be that you had to set the Account Info time zone correctly, but
the last time I looked it is setting your time zone automatically based on
location information.

I know any message I receive from the various Yahoo Groups, they show
my current time. I get my messages in my inbox of Outlook.
That's being done by Outlook. The Date field of email headers specify both a
Date/Time and the UTC* offset of that Date/Time. With that information
Outlook can convert the Date/Time to anyone's local time. For example, your
first message in this thread had:

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:23:32 -0500
The "-0500" is the offset from UTC of that date/time. I live in in UTC-0800,
so my email software subtracts the difference in those offsets (3 hours)
from that date/time and displays your messages as having been sent at "04:23
PM 1/21/2015" - in my local time.

-- Shal
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

I think I've confused myself. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've confused myself. Let's ignore for a minute how the Inbox/Muted Threads/etc tabs actually work on the home page. How should all this work? Here's a proposal:

Based on your subscription, you either have muted threads & hashtags, or followed threads & hashtags. You're either excluding or including things to be delivered to you.

When viewing a specific group that you're subscribed to, there will be tabs on the sidebar for muted threads/hashtags, or followed threads/hashtags, allowing you to see what you've muted/followed, and letting you undo those actions. The group archives will always show all the group messages, from which you can mute or follow new things..

When going to groups.io (aka the home page), there will be tabs for Inbox, Muted Thread, Muted Hashtags, Followed Threads, Followed Hashtags. The Muted and Followed tabs are just aggregations over all your subscriptions. Inbox will be what you would get sent to you in email if your Email Delivery setting was set to Individual Messages (regardless of what your Email Delivery setting actually is).

Does that make sense? If it does, then I think the current newsubpage makes sense? Too complicated?

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Mark,

> I also put Auto Follow Replies under Following Only, because that's
> the only option that applies to it.

I note that a checkmark there disappears (leaving an empty gray box) when you click "All Messages", and does not reappear when you click "Following Only" again. Same if you click "No Email" and then click "Individual Messages" again.

There's a minor issue that I'd prefer that the prior state be retained when one switches and switches back.

The more major issue is that I think "Auto Follow Replies" is a useful option for members that have selected "Special Notices Only" or "No Email" because they prefer reading messages via the "Followed Threads" tab in their Groups.io Inbox. That's the use case that makes me think it should be broken out as a stand-alone option, unaffected by Email Delivery or Message Selection.

That's assuming the necessary changes are made to the Follow/Mute affordances so that one can manage one's Followed Threads without receiving email.

Unless I've completely misunderstood.

-- Shal






locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Duane
 

I'm (and I'm sure many others!) with you on getting the transfer set up. While I was reading your reply, it came to mind that the "easy" part of that is from the group owners standpoint and not your programming standpoint. All those "fiddly bits" needed for something this big are bound to want lots of attention. (grin)

Thanks,
Duane


locked Re: Calendar is live

Duane
 

I noticed this morning that when I look at an event, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to get back to the place in the Calendar that I was looking at. It may be because I'm owner. I have to click on Calendar again, then click forward to where I was, if another month/week, etc.

Duane


locked Re: Yet another bug #bug

 

When a group is normally deleted, all of this is taken care of automatically. With Quicktest, I had to delete things by hand, 'tis all.

Mark

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
Thanks again!  I'd guess that at some point the reindexing will become automatic.  For minor things like this, I'd rather you wait until it turns up on your schedule.  At least when I clicked on the group name, it told me it had been deleted, so not really a big problem.

Duane








locked Re: Yet another bug #bug

Duane
 

Thanks again! I'd guess that at some point the reindexing will become automatic. For minor things like this, I'd rather you wait until it turns up on your schedule. At least when I clicked on the group name, it told me it had been deleted, so not really a big problem.

Duane