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locked Re: Yet another bug #bug

 

Didn't have a chance to manually reindex the groups last night. It's been done and quicktest no longer appears.

Thanks,
Mark

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

The group (QuickTest) has been deleted, but it still shows up in the "Find a group" search pages.


Duane




locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

 

I originally went with the 'N minutes ago' displays for a couple of reasons. A lot of people like that style, and it didn't require us to know what timezone you were in. And we didn't have a timezone setting before the calendar was added.

As part of the profile addition for specifying the format of dates, I'll look at adding an option to not display things as 'N minutes ago'.

I'm not sure when I'll get to the date changes. I want to get the easy Yahoo group transfer stuff done first and finalize any changes to the subscription page.

Thanks,
Mark

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On a Calendar event, it already corrects the original time to local (if set correctly), so that won't be a problem.  Having the same (corrected) time would work fine for me on posts.  If a meeting/whatever were being setup by post, mentioning the time zone would be up to the poster and a good practice to get into.

Duane








locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Duane
 

On a Calendar event, it already corrects the original time to local (if set correctly), so that won't be a problem. Having the same (corrected) time would work fine for me on posts. If a meeting/whatever were being setup by post, mentioning the time zone would be up to the poster and a good practice to get into.

Duane


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Frances
 

Hi

On Profile in Groups.io, you set your time zone.
Just saw this today.

Frances

On Jan 22 15, at 2:39 AM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Duane,

I think Yahoo just always used Pacific time and everyone adjusted their
thinking.
There was a time when U.S. Pacific time was the default when you created a new account. But if there was ever a time when one's Account Info didn't include a Time Zone setting that was before I started using Yahoo Groups.

-- Shal






locked Re: Yet another bug #bug

Duane
 

The group (QuickTest) has been deleted, but it still shows up in the "Find a group" search pages.


Duane



locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

 

Duane,

I think Yahoo just always used Pacific time and everyone adjusted their
thinking.
There was a time when U.S. Pacific time was the default when you created a new account. But if there was ever a time when one's Account Info didn't include a Time Zone setting that was before I started using Yahoo Groups.

-- Shal


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

 

Judy,

Maybe the reason it is set up like that is due to the various time
differences.
I suspect you're right. Relative time ("ago") is the same no matter what time zone the user is in.

Frances I cant remember if I indicated in my profile on Yahoo Groups
what time zone I am in, I think I did, so my messages, etc. have the
date/time for my time zone.
Yes, the time zone listed in your Yahoo Account Info page is used to display date/time information throughout Yahoo - except on calendars (they have their own).

It used to be that you had to set the Account Info time zone correctly, but the last time I looked it is setting your time zone automatically based on location information.

I know any message I receive from the various Yahoo Groups, they show my
current time. I get my messages in my inbox of Outlook.
That's being done by Outlook. The Date field of email headers specify both a Date/Time and the UTC* offset of that Date/Time. With that information Outlook can convert the Date/Time to anyone's local time. For example, your first message in this thread had:

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:23:32 -0500
The "-0500" is the offset from UTC of that date/time. I live in in UTC-0800, so my email software subtracts the difference in those offsets (3 hours) from that date/time and displays your messages as having been sent at "04:23 PM 1/21/2015" - in my local time.

-- Shal
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Judy F.
 

I know any message I receive from the various Yahoo Groups, they show my current time. I get my messages in my inbox of Outlook.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Duane [mailto:txpigeon@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:51 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestions

That's one of the things that changed with NEO. It used to have date/time, but they wanted to be like Facebook.

I'm not sure how Mark is going to do the date thing allowing different formats, but I think it could be used here for each person. I'm also not sure how the time is stored on messages, but I think it could be displayed in local time. The problem with that is if/when you start talking about a meeting or something, there may be folks in two or more different time zones. I think Yahoo just always used Pacific time and everyone adjusted their thinking.

Duane


locked Re: Site updates #changelog

Duane
 

As always, Thanks for all of this.

Duane


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Duane
 

That's one of the things that changed with NEO. It used to have date/time, but they wanted to be like Facebook.

I'm not sure how Mark is going to do the date thing allowing different formats, but I think it could be used here for each person. I'm also not sure how the time is stored on messages, but I think it could be displayed in local time. The problem with that is if/when you start talking about a meeting or something, there may be folks in two or more different time zones. I think Yahoo just always used Pacific time and everyone adjusted their thinking.

Duane


locked Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site today:

- Check the initial and most recent versions of messages/wiki pages on the history pages.
- Display profile fixes for subgroups. Also fixed URLs.
- Fixed issue where a single owner could disown a group.
- Changed User to Name in members list.
- Added 'Approve & Unmoderate Senders' button to the pending message page
- Updated the subscription page mockup based on feedback


Mark


locked Re: Edited Messages

Judy F.
 

Shal, I think it should be an option on/off. Our buying and selling group does not allow members to delete their ads for any reason. If they have to revise their ad, they are to resubmit it. With an on/off option, this would help us control those ads not being deleted/edited but a new one submitted.

Since this is only one group, I don't know if others have the same rule as us.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 9:22 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Edited Messages

Judy,

> I can't remember if this a turn on or off feature that the owner/mod > can do. That might be helpful in our buying selling group.

Member can edit their own, moderator can edit anyone's, just like delete.

But no option to turn editing off. Mark said he is inclined to wait and see if a control is needed:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/736

-- Shal


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Judy F.
 

Frances I can’t remember if I indicated in my profile on Yahoo Groups what time zone I am in, I think I did, so my messages, etc. have the date/time for my time zone.

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Frances [mailto:travel@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:11 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Date/Time on messages #suggestions

 

Hi

 

Facebook just has 1 hour. No date or time.

If you put time, I guess you need to put the initials of the time zone!

Would you need to select this when you set up your group?

 

Frances

 

On Jan 21 15, at 11:01 AM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

 

I think there's value to that idea. It let's the reader quickly compare the time of the post rather than both being '3 hours ago'.

Dano

 


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Judy F.
 

Duane, Yahoo Groups also uses this minutes thing especially on pended messages, etc. I agree with you, I like just the date and time. If I want to know how long ago, I can subtract and get the number of hours.

Maybe the reason it is set up like that is due to the various time differences.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Duane [mailto:txpigeon@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:36 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Date/Time on messages #suggestions

It's probably just me, but I'd prefer to see a Date/Time on messages, whether in the site Inbox or in a group's archives, instead of X minutes ago or Y days ago. Seems to make it easier for me to keep things straight.

How do others feel?

Duane


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

 

I agree. The date/time seems much clearer.

Jim Fisher

On 21 Jan 2015 at 4:35, Duane wrote:

It's probably just me, but I'd prefer to see a Date/Time on messages, whether in
the site Inbox or in a group's archives, instead of X minutes ago or Y days ago.
Seems to make it easier for me to keep things straight.

How do others feel?

Duane
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locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Email delivery would be clearer if "Daily digest" was "Daily digest + Special notices" said "Special notices will still be received individually"



locked Re: Auto-Login On Invite

 

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 7:50 PM, JohnF via GROUPS.IO <user+1242@groups.io> wrote:

This is nice in one sense, as it makes it easy to join groups in response to invitations.  One complaint over at Yahoo Groups is that some people can't figure out how to manage invitations, why is why they're always asking for the direct add feature back.  I assume here at Groups.IO, that if an invited person didn't already have an account set up, that person would be guided through the process, upon clicking the link, right?

Correct. If you don't yet have an account, you're asked to create a password, and an account is created as part of the invite process. If you do have an account, and if you're logged in as that person, it just asks you for your subscription preference. If you are logged in as a different person than the invite was for, you're logged out and asked to log in (or create a password if the other person doesn't have an account).

If the invite is for an existing account, you are automatically logged in. This is a security risk if someone else gets your invite email, which would have to be through some man in the middle attack, or from you forwarding your invite email after you received it. Seems a small risk.

I've thought about other instances along the same line. It'd be really great if the Unsubscribe link in the email footers was a one click unsubscribe, regardless of whether you were logged in or not. But I don't think that's safe.

Mark


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Mark,

I also put Auto Follow Replies under Following Only, because that's
the only option that applies to it.
I note that a checkmark there disappears (leaving an empty gray box) when you click "All Messages", and does not reappear when you click "Following Only" again. Same if you click "No Email" and then click "Individual Messages" again.

There's a minor issue that I'd prefer that the prior state be retained when one switches and switches back.

The more major issue is that I think "Auto Follow Replies" is a useful option for members that have selected "Special Notices Only" or "No Email" because they prefer reading messages via the "Followed Threads" tab in their Groups.io Inbox. That's the use case that makes me think it should be broken out as a stand-alone option, unaffected by Email Delivery or Message Selection.

That's assuming the necessary changes are made to the Follow/Mute affordances so that one can manage one's Followed Threads without receiving email.

Unless I've completely misunderstood.

-- Shal


locked Strange Bug in creating a Wiki Page Title

Ellen
 

I successfully added new pages in the wiki in our CLLSLL +Mods group. I created a new page called "Newly Diagnosed", pasted in the text I wanted, and saved the page. I went to the Pages, submenu and selected that newly created page. However, when I went to open it, the Home Page of the Group opened instead. 

I renamed the page. Pasted text, but the same thing happened. Then I created a couple of new pages with a few words of text. Those pages saved and opened as expected. I suspected the problem was with the text I pasted in. Originally the text was in RTF format. Then I pasted into Word. Then created a pdf. None of these worked.

I think I just figured it out. I wanted the name of the page to be Newly Diagnosed?.  Looks like you cannot put a question mark in the Title of the page.



locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

I've updated the mockup. 


I added a Special Notices Only delivery option. I also put Auto Follow Replies under Following Only, because that's the only option that applies to it. I also changed the wording of several options based on your feedback. And now it grays out options that aren't applicable.

Please check it out and let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark