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locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Nightowl >8#
 

Maria wrote:>>I'm not sure if this is what you are experiencing but thought I"d make that suggestion in case it helps. <<

I appreciate that, and John just explained to me that Higher Resolution = smaller font and Lower Resolution = Larger Font I tend to mix up which is which.

My browser window fills the screen, which is a 17 inch monitor, Cathode Ray Tube. I use 800 by 600 resolution on it, because anything higher gets entirely too small for me to read. At that resolution, in the current state, the box is gone for me unless I zoom out twice.

At the size the box was before, it was perfect. Since it is no longer an issue, the box having been removed from mobile screens, I just want Mark to please make it the previous size where I can see it again.

I never could see the Search Box due to my resolution just the magnifying glass, but I didn't care, when I wanted to search, I opened it with a click and did. So I was fine with how it had been before.

Thanks Maria, sorry I'm so upset.

Brenda


locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Maria
 

Oh that could be cool.

Yeah - I wouldn't get rid of the permalink. Especially as I just learned how useful it is thanks to Duane.

Maria


locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Nightowl >8#
 

HR Tech wrote:>>Yeah, that's not what Brian was referring to. He was making a suggestion for where/how the message # is displayed in the expanded messages and single message view - not the message view (where you see all the messages in chrono order).<<

Thank you for clarifying that. Merge CAN mean to put two things together, such as Mark initially merged the search box and the Message Number box and now he has unmerged them (whew). I just have to see the numbers in the list.

Still working on calming down...sorry.

Brenda


locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Maria,

         I was thinking the message # in blue+icon, since the permalink link icon has already been where it is for a very long time and users are well trained to use it.  Since it's whole purpose is to give you the link to a specific message, using its message number, the number itself and the permalink are essentially the same thing.

         I could absolutely deal with doing away with the permalink icon entirely, but I think that's ill-advised since users are already familiar with it and its purpose.  Since the message number in its current position is new, new, new the option exists for tweaking its appearance.

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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Maria
 

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 03:44 pm, Nightowl wrote:
What Mark has done with where he put it in the preview is working fine, and I'm trying hard to calm down, and trust it.

Yeah, that's not what Brian was referring to. He was making a suggestion for where/how the message # is displayed in the expanded messages and single message view - not the message view (where you see all the messages in chrono order).

Maria


locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Nightowl >8#
 

HR Tech wrote:>>I think that's a good idea as well. So you'd see the message # but instead of the link icon you'd see a linkified blue number when you are in expanded message view or single view. Plus you see the message # in the box between the forwards and backwards arrows right above and below. So it's there up to 3 times, actually. Either the way it is now or as Brian suggests works for me.<<

Wherever anyone wants it on the actual single or expanded message view is fine, my concern is if it's by the permalink on single message view, it won't be visible in Messages List view. That is where I absolutely have to see the number in order to scroll. Mark moved it between sender and date/time instead of in the front, which is ok, but there's no permalink on Messages list, so I was afraid it would no longer be in the list view. If it's moved off the list view, I can't use it like I need to.

Am I making sense?

Just trying to calm down, and trust it's going to work like this.

Brenda


locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Maria
 

Or sorry, Brian, did you mean the icon+the message # in blue?

That would work for me too.

Maria


locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Maria
 

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:11 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
As an aside and from an aesthetic viewpoint I still think that "merging" the permalink icon with the message number designation would make more sense and cause the message number to stand out as an entity separate from the time.  This, however, is a real nit to pick. 

I think that's a good idea as well. So you'd see the message # but instead of the link icon you'd see a linkified blue number when you are in expanded message view or single view. Plus you see the message # in the box between the forwards and backwards arrows right above and below. So it's there up to 3 times, actually.

Either the way it is now or as Brian suggests works for me.

Maria


locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian wrote:>>Merging does not imply movement of any sort, but simply makes the message number an integral part of the permalink that's already there, and, thus, sets it off in the blue link color rather than black.<<

Then I'm afraid that it won't show up anymore in the Messages list, Brian, because the permalinks are not seen in the messages list. They are only seen on individual messages. I do not scroll through expanded messages, I scroll through single message chronological list view.

They can be anywhere else when on the single message view, what you suggested it fine, but always be viewable on the list somewhere in the preview location below in single message list view:
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Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK! #newdesktop
Brenda, Would you please actually consider what you're responding to before hitting send, or at least ask for clarification? Merging does not imply movement of any
By Brian Vogel · #10171 · 5:30 pm
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Having the message number between the sender and the date/time works. I'm concerned that the message # will be removed from list view, that is what I'm worried about, since there are no permalinks shown in list view.

What Mark has done with where he put it in the preview is working fine, and I'm trying hard to calm down, and trust it.

Brenda


locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Brenda,

         Would you please actually consider what you're responding to before hitting send, or at least ask for clarification?

         Merging does not imply movement of any sort, but simply makes the message number an integral part of the permalink that's already there, and, thus, sets it off in the blue link color rather than black.
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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian Vogel wrote:>>As an aside and from an aesthetic viewpoint I still think that "merging" the permalink icon with the message number designation would make more sense and cause the message number to stand out as an entity separate from the time. This, however, is a real nit to pick.<<

No no, please. Please leave it where it is. If the Message # is not visible in the list version of preview posts single messages swhen I scroll through them, I can't use it. Please don't merge it anywhere, ok? Please leave it visible.

Brenda


locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Maria
 

Brenda

I just tried looking at the message view page in bigger resolution on my screen and what happens if you are in a more enlarged view (sorry don't know technical term) is that the message # box looks like it's gone away - but actually if you enlarge your browser window ( not zoom - just click and drag it to make it bigger) it comes back. It's always there.

I'm not sure if this is what you are experiencing but thought I"d make that suggestion in case it helps.

Maria


locked Re: Regarding Closed Threads #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mark,

          Are closed threads and locked threads the same thing?  I know in groups here moderators have locked various threads (as you well know) the following mini-lock character appears before those threads (and, I'd imagine, individual messages in a locked thread, but I don't use message view):

If closed is another status it might be helpful to use an icon specific to that status.

I also happen to disagree with Brenda about the use of "Cancel."   I find "Discard" used far more frequently than "Cancel" with regard to tossing a draft in the trash along with all changes one might have made to it when the decision not to post has been made.


--
Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


locked Re: Can Message #'s be listed in a smaller font next to the time of the message #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

That's fine, just please always keep them visible somewhere in the subject line/first words of the preview seen in message view, otherwise I can't scroll down and see them at a glance.

I know you're busy, but if you could please fix the size of the desktop Message # box so I can see it again before you quit for the weekend, PLEASE do that? I have a lot still to reply to and now I have to zoom in and out to do anything.

Thank you again so much for understanding my problem.

Brenda


locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Nightowl >8#
 

Thank you for putting it back, but PLEASE make it bigger again on desktop? At my normal resolution, the message number box does not appear at all. I have to zoom out to see it, but I can barely read the text at that zoom factor. It looks like there is plenty of room to add it at my normal resolution.

Thank you so much for listening to me. It means so much to me to not have to jump through hoops to read groups.

Brenda


locked Re: New website is live + reply to changes

Maria
 

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:22 pm, J_catlady wrote:
Mark, Did you just turn it blue or was I imagining things? :-) 

When you click "private" both the "private" toggle button and the "reply to sender" ( which then appears and removes the "reply to group" option) turn blue.

So you get a written, iconographic, and a visual color cue that you are now in "private" mode PLUS the word "private" in the subject.

It was like that at launch. Likewise in groups where the default reply is to sender the inverse happens and it goes from blue to green ( sender to group) when you click the toggle button.

I've now tested it multiple times in our test groups and I'm loving it.

Maria




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On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:25 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
 When you truly have no clue as to why what's happening is happening it takes things to an entirely different plane.  

Maybe so. But from my point of view, "stemming, shtemming" it's all just an excuse! Knowing the reason doesn't make my experience as a frustrated *user* any better.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:20 pm, J_catlady wrote:
My guess is it's equally frustrating to sophisticated and unsophisticated users.

You're probably right.  But sophisticated users, and particularly participants in beta, at least know what's happening, or not happening behind the scenes, which at least allows you to know you're not going mad (kinda, anyway).  When you truly have no clue as to why what's happening is happening it takes things to an entirely different plane.  I remember all of my experiences of being in this position all too well!!
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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


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On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:10 pm, J_catlady wrote:
"private" toggle should be much more obvious. Among the other choices at the bottom, it's the only thing without a color

Mark, Did you just turn it blue or was I imagining things? :-) 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


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On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:11 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
cannot recall at the moment as to whether searches when in thread view use both the Title/Subject and message text or not

This has been fixed and it includes matches on both title and message body. No worries there. 

This is one of the reasons I don't use the search function here.

I've started to avoid it for searching beta posts, but unfortunately, there's no other option when group archives are private.

these tons of false positives and false negatives are even more frustrating to unsophisticated (yes, that is the proper term in the software world - and it has nothing to do with general worldliness) users 

My guess is it's equally frustrating to sophisticated and unsophisticated users. It's just a PITA, period!

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.