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Re: Digest sent before member accepted
#bug
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 7:56 AM Marv Waschke <marv@...> wrote: On April 4, a user requested membership to our restricted, private archive group, received our standard reply asking for more information. Before replying, the as yet non-member received a message digest from the group. They mentioned this in their reply. I approved the request for membership. The logs show the request and acceptance, but no email delivery is recorded. I believe both the delivery of the digest and the absence of a log record of the delivery in the Email Delivery History are defects. The group is trollope.groups.io. The member is EJP. The logs cycled before I was able to look at any possible digest delivery (I've increased the log retention on those logs now). But I went through the code and I don't see how that could have happened. Please let me know if you see something like this again. Thanks, Mark
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
I could do without both the “active topics” and the ugly hashtag thingy. I get really tired of someone trying to direct what I do and don’t read and engage with. This seems to be happening on a lot of platforms in attempts to be more “social”. For those folks who prefer to be controlling with their group members, enjoy. Just give the rest of us the option to not opt in (and make it an “opt in” rather than an “opt out”).
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Re: Digest sent before member accepted
#bug
Chris Jones
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 04:05 PM, Marv Waschke wrote:
Could that have affected the digest sending logic?Only time will tell... (Sorry!) Chris
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Re: Digest sent before member accepted
#bug
I just noticed Duane's comment on Time Zones. The digest was sent across the international date line. Could that have affected the digest sending logic?
Best, Marv
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Digest sent before member accepted
#bug
On April 4, a user requested membership to our restricted, private archive group, received our standard reply asking for more information. Before replying, the as yet non-member received a message digest from the group. They mentioned this in their reply. I approved the request for membership. The logs show the request and acceptance, but no email delivery is recorded. I believe both the delivery of the digest and the absence of a log record of the delivery in the Email Delivery History are defects. The group is trollope.groups.io. The member is EJP.
Best, Marv Waschke
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Display member time zone
#suggestion
While I was checking this morning to see if digests were being delivered (based on a question I was looking into), I noticed that some members didn't get one. Then it dawned on me that they aren't in the same time zone as me (used as the group default) so will get theirs later/earlier. In cases like this, it would be really handy if there were a notation in their member record of which TZ they have selected. I wouldn't want to be able to change it, just see it. Maybe next to or just below the Joined date. Due to some areas not having an official abbreviation, showing them in UTC might be best.
Thanks, Duane
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 02:22 PM, William Ellis wrote:
I understand people's reluctance to change something that they "see no value" but for those of us with groups where it would be a plus - why not.IIRC, the main concern expressed with the new homepage wasn't so much the addition of an "Active Topics" div, but that the big "Top Hashtags" buttons tend to dominate the layout. In turn, the current hashtag layout is difficult to tap/navigate on mobile devices. If the new layout was implemented in conjunction with a setting to hide the "Top Hashtags" div entirely, I believe this might go a long way toward resolution of the deadlock. Regards, Bruce
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
Mark;
How about giving the Admin of a group the right to upgrade the home page? I understand people's reluctance to change something that they "see no value" but for those of us with groups where it would be a plus - why not. I don't know what it is like to do something like letting people select and I am sure it is more work than rolling it out everywhere. We.
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I would still like to roll it out everywhere because I think it's a superior experience.Will it be an option or mandatory? I still have the same reservations about the new page layout as when it was originally announced. Thanks, Duane
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 06:35 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I made a mistake and forgot to remove that from the list before I posted it.If it was just a mistake then no problem. At least we understand the discrepancy between the changelog and what actually changed. Hopefully the changes to the homepage and the Zoom integration can be rolled out shortly. Many thanks, Andy
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:27 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote: I've seen the previous discussions on the hompage changes and the recent release and rollback of the zoom integration. I am still perplexed by the fact that these changes were included in the changelog when in fact they had not been released. How many of the others in this week's list are like this? (Many snarky responses typed and deleted). I made a mistake and forgot to remove that from the list before I posted it. Mark
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Re: Digest generation problem
#bug
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 04:12 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Is anyone else encountering missing messages in digests?I think I've received a couple of "digests" containing only a single message in the past week.
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 04:24 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've seen the previous discussions on the hompage changes and the recent release and rollback of the zoom integration. I am still perplexed by the fact that these changes were included in the changelog when in fact they had not been released. How many of the others in this week's list are like this? I'd like to see the homepage changes on my group and we will certainly make use of the Zoom integration once it is approved. Andy
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:43 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote: On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 04:58 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote: The new home page is still only on beta and a couple other groups. I'd like to roll it out everywhere, but when I proposed that awhile ago, there was ... consternation. I would still like to roll it out everywhere because I think it's a superior experience. I will probably enable it for all new groups starting next week. The homepage(s) look the same as before (they don't look like beta) and I don't see an option to define a new calendar event as a Zoom meeting. I had to turn it off when I realized it only worked for my Zoom account until I had it approved by Zoom. That process is on-going. Mark
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moderated
Re: GIO in the long term
Under the heading of "there are no guarantees in life," I'd add that Google has shuttered (or marginalized) well over a hundred services. And some are on life support. If they decide groups doesn't support their core business, it'll likely be gone. Whatever you choose, I'd make sure it gives you the ability to export the content in the event you need to migrate again.
Pete
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
Hi Andy,
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My understanding of „new group home page“ is that this change is only applied to new groups - i.e. any groups created from today onwards. I can imagine that some group owners wouldn‘t want their existing home pages to be changed automatically. Let‘s see what Mark says. Thomas
Am 04.04.2020 um 14:05 schrieb Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...>:
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 12:27 PM, Duane wrote:
No, it doesn't. It says the change was made to "the new group home page" which hasn't been rolled out to any group other than beta.The way it reads to me is that the change has been rolled out so that it now looks the same as beta. If it is just a change to beta, I don't see the point on including that on a general release note which is also posted on the Updates group which is the 'Official announcement group for updates to the Groups.io service' (taken from the group homepage) and has 1.25 million members. Purely from a business point of view, it doesn't make sense to do that. In the past, other changes have been made just on beta and those of us in the group have had chance to test them before they are rolled out to all and included on the changelog. Andy
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 05:56 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
But that's precisely what the changelog says has happened. If it hasn't, why is it in the changelog?No, it doesn't. It says the change was made to "the new group home page" which hasn't been rolled out to any group other than beta. It's available on the beta group so we can see what it looks like and test it here. Duane
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 10:00 AM, Duane wrote:
It hasn't been rolled out to all groups yet.But that's precisely what the changelog says has happened. If it hasn't, why is it in the changelog? Andy
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 01:43 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
I'm seeing no evidence of these changes on my group/subgroups. The homepage(s) look the same as before (they don't look like beta)Since June of last year, beta is the only group that has the home page redesign, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/32057590 It hasn't been rolled out to all groups yet. Duane
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