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Re: Cal-summary message not received #bug

Grigorii Semenov
 

Hello Andy,

On 02/12/2022 20:18, Andy Wedge wrote:
Hmm. I thought 07:00 was late in the day and I always tried to get that out to my members ASAP after it arrived.  The time it normally arrived was 07:00 but a couple of times a year it would be 06:00 due to the different dates when the US & UK changed their clocks.  If the permanent DST legislation is signed into law in the US and the job to create the cal-summary message is based on Pacific time, that means roughly half the year it will arrive at 09:00 and the other half at 08:00.  I think expanding the flexibility around when the cal-summary message is created, perhaps by specifying a time & timezone, would be a help.
And here we again come to the problem of localization (or localisation). Why should people, who perhaps have never seen the Pacific ocean, bother themselves about things like Pacific Time and how is it different from GMT, UTC and BST. Localisation must be tailored to everyday live of a local community of customers... Which is my own opinion, of course...


Regards,

Gregory


Re: Site updates #changelog

Duane
 

On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 09:39 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
CHANGE: Send the two-week advanced billing notice to all moderators, not just the person set to pay the invoice.
A question/complaint came up about this on GMF.  For clarification, is it ALL moderators or only those with Billing permission?

Thanks,
Duane


Re: Cal-summary message not received #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 03:28 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
It arrived at 09:00 rather than the normal 07:00. A scheduling change?
Yes, previously they went out at 11:00pm pacific time the night
before, which caused the off-by-one error you saw last week. Now they
go out the same day (pacific time).
Hmm. I thought 07:00 was late in the day and I always tried to get that out to my members ASAP after it arrived.  The time it normally arrived was 07:00 but a couple of times a year it would be 06:00 due to the different dates when the US & UK changed their clocks.  If the permanent DST legislation is signed into law in the US and the job to create the cal-summary message is based on Pacific time, that means roughly half the year it will arrive at 09:00 and the other half at 08:00.  I think expanding the flexibility around when the cal-summary message is created, perhaps by specifying a time & timezone, would be a help.

Regards
Andy


Re: Cal-summary message not received #bug

 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 1:36 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 07:18 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:

Our #cal-summary message has not been received again this morning.

It arrived at 09:00 rather than the normal 07:00. A scheduling change?
Yes, previously they went out at 11:00pm pacific time the night
before, which caused the off-by-one error you saw last week. Now they
go out the same day (pacific time).

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Cal-summary message not received #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 07:18 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
Our #cal-summary message has not been received again this morning.
It arrived at 09:00 rather than the normal 07:00. A scheduling change?

Regards
Andy


Re: Cal-summary message not received #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,


On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 04:43 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 6:37 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

My group did not receive its weekly #cal-summary message this morning.
Sorry about that. I've fixed the problem and generated the summaries.
Our #cal-summary message has not been received again this morning.

Regards
Andy


Re: Mark status #admin

Ginny T.
 

Oh Mark - please just rest up and get better. Thankfully the vaccines and boosters help tremendously to lessen the course,  but they aren't bullet proof vests. letting your body recover is the most important thing now.
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moderated Re: On language and date localization

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 03:27 PM, Grigorii Semenov wrote:
No doubt, the old principle "don't use it if you don't like it" still has a value these days. But we are here to find technical means to expand usage of GIO as much as possible. The products that we all like!
I don't disagree

In 2016, the EU adopted the General Data Protection Regulation, which came into force in 2018. Among other things, this Act in Article 17 stipulates that "The data subject shall have the right to obtain from the controller the erasure of personal data concerning him or her without undue delay and the controller shall have the obligation to erase personal data without undue delay ".
Ah yes, Article 17 (1) of GDPR (the so called 'right to be forgotten'). Being in the UK, I am fully aware of this. I hear this mentioned now and then and what most people fail to mention is the conditions under which article 17 (1) applies. And then of course, we have Article 17 (3) which lists exceptions to Article 17 (1).  The only thing you can guarantee about this is that the people that make money from it will be the lawyers, but then who do you think wrote it.

Given that we are using a system that emails messages to multiple people, some or all of whom maybe unknown and we have no control over what they do with those emails, your chances of being truly 'forgotten' are slim to none existent.

Regards
Andy


Re: Mark status #admin

Marv Waschke
 

We're all with you. Drink plenty of liquids; it's easy to forget when you are sick. Get well soon. Best, Marv


moderated Re: On language and date localization

Grigorii Semenov
 

Hi Andy,

On 01.12.2022 2:06, Andy Wedge wrote:
When you start using Groups.io you agree to the Terms of Service. If they are not legally acceptable to you in your location, then perhaps an alternative platform that meets your requirements would be best at this time.

No doubt, the old principle "don't use it if you don't like it" still has a value these days. But we are here to find technical means to expand usage of GIO as much as possible. The products that we all like!

If a member unsubscribes from a group, they will still have a Groups.io account, they just won't receive emails from that group any more. If you have a Premium or Enterprise group, details of past members are retained on the Past member list and you can see when and why they left, so those details are not 'totally removed' from the group. Some details will also appear in the group's Activity Log too.

In 2016, the EU adopted the General Data Protection Regulation, which came into force in 2018. Among other things, this Act in Article 17 stipulates that "The data subject shall have the right to obtain from the controller the erasure of personal data concerning him or her without undue delay and the controller shall have the obligation to erase personal data without undue delay ".

GIO's Terms and Conditions say the same things.

Are there any technical tools in GIO that past subscriber can easily use to do so?

Regards,

Gregory


Re: Mark status #admin

Patrick Kernan
 

Get well soon.


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moderated Re: On language and date localization

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 05:52 PM, Grigorii Semenov wrote:
localisation of subscribe process is vital due to legal requirements, not just because of comfort and convenience.
When you start using Groups.io you agree to the Terms of Service. If they are not legally acceptable to you in your location, then perhaps an alternative platform that meets your requirements would be best at this time.

Same applies to unsubscribe: former customer must be explained that they are leaving the group, now further messages will be delivered to him/her and the address will be totally removed from the group's database.
If a member unsubscribes from a group, they will still have a Groups.io account, they just won't receive emails from that group any more. If you have a Premium or Enterprise group, details of past members are retained on the Past member list and you can see when and why they left, so those details are not 'totally removed' from the group. Some details will also appear in the group's Activity Log too.

Regards
Andy

 


Re: Mark status #admin

 

Hi Mark,

Take it easy and please get well soon.

Cheers,
Christos



On 2022-11-30 12:51, Mark Fletcher via groups.io wrote:

Hi All,

The cold I've been fighting since Monday has turned into covid. I made it almost 3 years before getting it. I'm vaxxed and boosted, and it's not bad so far. But I'm going to take it easy while I recover. Expect email responses to be slower than normal, and the next #changelog will now be posted on Friday, December 9th.

Thanks,
Mark



Re: Mark status #admin

Sugar
 

Mark

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From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 9:51 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Mark status #admin

 

Hi All,

The cold I've been fighting since Monday has turned into covid. I made it almost 3 years before getting it. I'm vaxxed and boosted, and it's not bad so far. But I'm going to take it easy while I recover. Expect email responses to be slower than normal, and the next #changelog will now be posted on Friday, December 9th.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Mark status #admin

Donald Hellen
 

Mark . . .

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:51:28 -0800, "Mark Fletcher" <markf@corp.groups.io>
wrote:

The cold I've been fighting since Monday has turned into covid. I made it almost 3 years before getting it.
Whatever you do, don't overwork yourself, and take care of yourself while you
fight it off.

Both of us have avoided it so far, fortunately.

Donald



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Re: Mark status #admin

 

Mark -
Thank you for slowing down and dealing with this. From personal experience I will warn you to watch out for atypical symptoms. For what it's worth, I understand vitamin D3 and zinc help slow replication of viruses. It's worked for me, but Your Mileage May Vary.

I pray that your family avoids it and you don't have any severe or lasting symptoms. Take good care of yourself!

Dano

-----Original Message-----

Hi All,

The cold I've been fighting since Monday has turned into covid. I made it almost 3 years before getting it. I'm vaxxed and boosted, and it's not bad so far. But I'm going to take it easy while I recover. Expect email responses to be slower than normal, and the next #changelog will now be posted on Friday, December 9th.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Mark status #admin

 

Mark,
Get well soon!
J


On Nov 30, 2022, at 9:51 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:



Hi All,

The cold I've been fighting since Monday has turned into covid. I made it almost 3 years before getting it. I'm vaxxed and boosted, and it's not bad so far. But I'm going to take it easy while I recover. Expect email responses to be slower than normal, and the next #changelog will now be posted on Friday, December 9th.

Thanks,
Mark


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Re: Mark status #admin

Glenn Glazer
 

On 11/30/2022 09:51, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,

The cold I've been fighting since Monday has turned into covid. I made it almost 3 years before getting it. I'm vaxxed and boosted, and it's not bad so far. But I'm going to take it easy while I recover. Expect email responses to be slower than normal, and the next #changelog will now be posted on Friday, December 9th.

Thanks,
Mark


Get well soon!

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: On language and date localization

Grigorii Semenov
 

Hello everyone,
As a resident of a non-English speaking country in Eastern Europe, I'd like to make my contribution about language localization of GIO. In my opinion, localization should begin with subscribe/unsubscribe processes. Let me illustrate this with my own example.

I am running (well, actually, just starting!) a group for a local condominium. Laws about Internet privacy in my country are famous for the broad wording and uncertain, ambiguous definitions. In essence, any new subscriber must be explained in their native language what exactly they are doing. They are giving their personal email address to someone and this someone will start using this address to send something to subscriber. Any misunderstanding may result in subscriber's frustration, telling that he/she was fooled by a foreign language text and is now being spammed.

When  someone tries to subscribe to any GIO group from an email, completely unknown to GIO, they will receive the standard message in English, asking them to reply and confirm subscription. This mechanism and this message is hard-wired into GIO platform and can not be edited or replaced by owner/moderator.

After receiving some help from GroupManagersForum (thanks, Duane!) I implemented a bypass: made the group Restricted and created Pending Membership message in my own language. But this is a poor solution: angry subscriber may clam that they have already supplied their address in exchange of an uncertain explanation in the language, they don't really understand... You know how severe may be punishment for breaking privacy laws...

Sorry for the long story, but I wrote this to explain that localisation of subscribe process is vital due to legal requirements, not just because of comfort and convenience. Same applies to unsubscribe: former customer must be explained that they are leaving the group, now further messages will be delivered to him/her and the address will be totally removed from the group's database.

Will be grateful for any thoughts on this topic!

Regards,
Gregory

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