Well, I usually don't use indenting if I'm not creating a list. But I do see what's going on. I'll use some text you entered, KW, to demonstrate.

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1) this is a test of the emergency broadcast system.

2) this line was indented line.

3) this line wants to be non-indented, but cannot be formatted as such (no matter what, it hangs onto the pp above it.)

4) this line wants to be indented twice, but cannot be formatted separately from the two lines above (no matter what, it too, hangs onto the pp above it.)

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The problem occurs if one starts indenting from the top of this set of lines, and there are no intervening empty lines.

1) this is a test of the emergency broadcast system.
What I observe here is that all three lines (2, 3, & 4) end up being formatted as a single <div> in the HTML coding. Since indentation is created by a style= attribute in the <div> tag, lines 2, 3, and 4 are "stuck" to each other, and move left and right as a single block.
This is another example. I started with the same four lines, but this time I indented line 4, then line 3, then line 2. I ended up with three separate <div> tags, and each line can now be moved independently of the others.

1) this is a test of the emergency broadcast system.

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So this definitely is a bug in the HTML editor. Maybe Mark ought to upgrade "TinyMCE". Oh, yeah. I played around with the "Shift + Enter" trick Chris Jones mentioned. That makes each line a separate paragraph (<p> and </p> tags). The editor handles those just fine, adding the "style=" attribute to the existing <p> tags. But when I key in line, CR, line, CR, etc., the editor just puts in <br /> tags to separate lines, and then KW's problem arises -- you can't associate "style=" with a <br /> tag. So new tags get added, incorrectly.

KW says the editor works correctly at the TinyMCE web site, probably because the <br /> tags aren't used in the updated version (just a guess).
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Canyon Lake, Texas
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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 01:01 AM, KWKloeber wrote:

The issue, maybe described more plain-speakly, is that once a line is indented, any additional line, added by entering a <CR> [i.e., <br />] can never be outdented or indented independently from the original indent.
Or more plain-speakly, added lines can never be "unglued from" the indented paragraph.  

A little

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:40 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Groups.io uses the TinyMCE html editor ( https://www.tiny.cloud/tinymce/ ). 

If a bug exists, such info can be passed along to the vendor, but I doubt Mark will be fixing it himself.

Hey Bruce

I know less than zero about this, but that said - looking at TinyMCE, after indenting a line and adding one or more below it (via a  <CR>, or <CR><CR>, or so on), they are all "independent lines" (i.e., any one of them can be further indented, outdented, etc., without regard to what is above it.)   They are not glued together.

Knowing less than zero, I do see that a <CR> in TinyMCE enters a <p>, not a <br>.  That would appear (to me) to be the difference.

David, see below

I ran a little test, and it seems to work OK with a bulleted list.

I didn't say it happened with a list, bulleted or numbered or otherwise.  I said it happens when indenting a line.

One more observation. There are four buttons to control ordered and unordered lists. Were you using the style selection buttons (first row on the editing toolbar) or just the Indent / outdent buttons on the second row?

As I said, indented and indented twice, not creating a list.
I don't recall mentioning ordering a list.  I can't even order from a menu online, no less a list.

Also, you mentioned <p> and </p> tags

I actually don't recall mentioning <p> and </p> tags.  Where was that?

The issue, maybe described more plain-speakly, is that once a line is indented, any additional line, added by entering a <CR> [i.e., <br />] can never be outdented or indented independently from the original indent.
Or more plain-speakly, added lines can never be "unglued from" the indented paragraph.  

It seems that a line added in, should be able to be padded/unpadded independently from a line that was originally indented above it.
Or, i.e. (as WORD does) a <CR><CR> should enter a <p />, not just a <br /><br />.  

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 03:51 PM, Derek Milliner wrote:

I went in to the 'Settings/Notifications' on the S7 and found that notifications from Chrome were disabled under 'APP NOTIFICATIONS'. Enable that, and hey presto - get Groups.io notifications in both FF and Chrome.

I'd already checked that before reporting the issue and app notifications are enabled for Firefox and Chrome. I even tried disabling and then re-enabling them but that didn't help either.

Andy

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 01:25 PM, Joanie wrote:

I would like to be able to edit the multiple choice poll after it starts so that I can add more items or remove items.

Joanie -- The GIO polling function is fairly rudimentary and you're definitely working outside of its design parameters.

Also keep in mind that people do have to log in to respond. Many of my members struggle with this, which means I can't really count on the results being very meaningful.

For applications such as this, we've had better luck with Google Forms.

Regards,
Bruce

I would like to be able to edit the multiple choice poll after it starts so that I can add more items or remove items. I decided to use the poll object to manage RSVPs to a multiple activity event so people don't have to reply to each calendar item separately and they can also change their RSVPs (votes) at any time. So the poll object has a selection for each activity (golf, lunch, mani/pedi, dinner party, .....) My most current event spans 4 days with about a 12 activities and some activities are yet to be planned or might change due to weather for outdoor activities. I would like to create the poll now with the events that are currently planned so people can start letting me know which ones they will attend. As other activities are planned then I'll add more items to the poll, or if one gets cancelled then I'll remove it.

I guess I could work around it by putting the text "(cancelled)" next to the activity name and maybe I'll do that for now. That way the number of items in the list does not get reduced. I will also have to make sure I don't change the order of the items. I'm assuming that could be an issue as well.

Joanie

Andy/Mark,

For what it's worth, I've checked this on my Galaxy S20 in Chrome and Firefox (87 rc1, not the beta 88) and no problem getting the notifications. FF was a fresh install from the play store and I took the most 'locked-down' options in the first run setup, apart from defaulting to incognito.

Trying the same thing on a Galaxy S7 that I haven't got around to recycling yet (!); I got the notifications for the FF browser but not, interestingly, Chrome. Until, that is, I went in to the 'Settings/Notifications' on the S7 and found that notifications from Chrome were disabled under 'APP NOTIFICATIONS'. Enable that, and hey presto - get Groups.io notifications in both FF and Chrome.

In summary; looks like it's down to individual 'phone settings rather than anything on the Groups.io side

Cheers,

Derek

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:16 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Is there any additional information you can provide to help me figure out the problem?

Hi Mark,

I'm not sure if it's relevant but this morning, I see this this in Firefox on my laptop (Win 10 Pro version 20H2):




Notifications were not working as they were last night but clicking the Enable button again reset things so they are OK now.

My Firefox browser bookmarks and active pages etc. are synchronised between my laptop and mobile phone via my Firefox account so if there is an issue on one device with Firefox, I can understand why that may impact the other device. I'm not sure how that would explain what I see on Chrome mobile though.

Andy

Here's how you replicate the problem

1. Create a Multiple choice poll with 4 choices (choice 1, choice 2,  choice 3 and choice 4) and set the "multiple choices" option and save the poll.
2. View the Poll in Messages or through the email message sent to you
3. Select choices 2 and 4 and press Vote
4. Click "Back to Vote" to see your votes (choices 2 and 4 are selected)
5. Click the "More" option on the poll message and select "Edit Poll"
6. Remove choice 2 by clicking the X to the right of choice 2 and click "Update Poll"
7. View the Poll in Messages or through the email message sent to you
8. Note that you now see choice 1, choice 3 and choice 4 which is correct
   1. only choice 3 is selected and 4 has been unselected.
   2. I would expect to see only choice 4 selected.

It appears the choices are saved without regard to the choice label or text.

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:16 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I am now in possession of an Android phone, so I can debug this... and I cannot reproduce this. On both mobile Chrome and Firefox, I was able to enable notifications, which were then delivered as they should be. Is there any additional information you can provide to help me figure out the problem?

On FF mobile (version 88.1.1 running on a Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge)  I initially see this on my Account > Notifications screen:




When I tap the Enable Notifications button, the screen starts to refresh and momentarily, I see this:




When the screen refresh completes, the screen is showing the first of the images in this message again.   I see the same thing happening in Chrome Mobile too.  I have tried clearing cookies and cached data etc. from both browsers but that seems to make no difference.

Regards
Andy

You nailed it, J. I didn't think to check that. Thanks!

Never mind, Mark!

Pete

Did you check that the message was sent from the (pending) member’s subscribed email address rather than from a different one? I’ve had that happen several times.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

(I should add - I did receive their reply at the owner address. It just didn't show up under their tab.)

My premium group requires prospective subscribers to reply to a Pending Subscription member notice. These replies go to the owner address.

Today, for the first time, a new member's response did not show up under their "Owner Messages" tab. Has something changed that would cause this?

Thanks!
Pete

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 03:59 PM, KWKloeber wrote:

When one indents a line (or lines) one cannot outdent (or for that matter further indent) a line or lines that follows the indented pp. 

Groups.io uses the TinyMCE html editor ( https://www.tiny.cloud/tinymce/ ). 

If a bug exists, such info can be passed along to the vendor, but I doubt Mark will be fixing it himself.

Regards,
Bruce

One more observation. There are four buttons to control ordered and unordered lists. Were you using the style selection buttons (first row on the editing toolbar) or just the Indent / outdent buttons on the second row? Also, you mentioned <p> and </p> tags -- I don't usually see those in messages composed at this web site. No <p> tags appear in this message, for instance. Did you maybe copy and paste them from somewhere else? Could that be gumming up the works?
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David Bryant
Canyon Lake, Texas
https://t-vog.groups.io/g/main    https://davidcbryant.net