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Re: Unexpected muted topic message in the middle of a topic #bug

Paul Kanevsky
 

Thank you, Andy and Duane! 

Yes, that was it. By selecting that one message, I was able to edit it and remove all the extra HTML in the message. After that, everything shows up as normal. Somehow all that HTML caused the rest of the page after the message to appear broken. Looks good after editing. Again, thanks for your help!

Regards,

    -Paul


On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 05:53 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 07:25 AM, Andy wrote:
 It looks to me that message #73008 contains considerable HTML, including graphics and clickable links and buttons.  If you open just that one message (https://groups.io/g/Losmandy_users/message/73008) without the rest of the Topic around it, you can see it.
After further checking it does seem like #73008 contains a lot of unusual stuff that makes the display confusing. It appears as though it's showing #73008 and the message before is #73007. However if you just open #73008 on it's own and then use the left/right arrow buttons either side of the message number you can go forward to #73009 but back one message takes you to #73005. Messages #73006 & #73007 do not exist (as can also be confirmed by using the Messages view) so #73007 at least appears to have been deleted after #73008 was posted. Confirmation of when #73006 & #73007 were deleted should be in the Activity log.

Regards
Andy


Re: Unexpected muted topic message in the middle of a topic #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 07:25 AM, Andy wrote:
 It looks to me that message #73008 contains considerable HTML, including graphics and clickable links and buttons.  If you open just that one message (https://groups.io/g/Losmandy_users/message/73008) without the rest of the Topic around it, you can see it.
After further checking it does seem like #73008 contains a lot of unusual stuff that makes the display confusing. It appears as though it's showing #73008 and the message before is #73007. However if you just open #73008 on it's own and then use the left/right arrow buttons either side of the message number you can go forward to #73009 but back one message takes you to #73005. Messages #73006 & #73007 do not exist (as can also be confirmed by using the Messages view) so #73007 at least appears to have been deleted after #73008 was posted. Confirmation of when #73006 & #73007 were deleted should be in the Activity log.

Regards
Andy


Re: Unexpected muted topic message in the middle of a topic #bug

Andy
 

Paul,

I agree with Duane.  It looks to me that message #73008 contains considerable HTML, including graphics and clickable links and buttons.  If you open just that one message (https://groups.io/g/Losmandy_users/message/73008) without the rest of the Topic around it, you can see it.

Andy


Re: Unexpected muted topic message in the middle of a topic #bug

Paul Kanevsky
 

It’s not a screen shot, since the buttons are clickable and text selectable.

Regardless, it doesn’t explain why the content following is a reverse order of the same topic. I can’t see any messages slightly older than 73008, since the next message shown is the first message in the whole thread.

Regards,

    -Paul


On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 09:47 PM, Duane wrote:

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 02:16 PM, Paul Kanevsky wrote:
The funny thing is that this is just part of the problem: this is a single screen shot, showing a single topic in the browser.
It looks to me like message 73008 is nothing but a screen shot/copy&paste, so all the Mute, etc. is part of what was sent.  Makes no difference which way it's sorted, that's the contents of that message.

Duane


Re: Unexpected muted topic message in the middle of a topic #bug

Duane
 

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 02:16 PM, Paul Kanevsky wrote:
The funny thing is that this is just part of the problem: this is a single screen shot, showing a single topic in the browser.
It looks to me like message 73008 is nothing but a screen shot/copy&paste, so all the Mute, etc. is part of what was sent.  Makes no difference which way it's sorted, that's the contents of that message.

Duane


Re: Spam messages from "Aleksandr via group." #misc

Robert Oshel
 

I've received two more of Aleksandr's spam messages in Russian.  Maybe the following will help.
Gmail shows:
from:Aleksandr via groups.io <info=s7.refresto.ru@groups.io>                [note the number after the info=s varies in different messages]
reply-to:info@...                                 
to:wpca+owner@wpca.groups.io
date:Jul 27, 2021, 1:34 PM
subject:[WPCA] Предложение
mailed-by:groups.io
signed-by:groups.io
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On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 12:03 PM Robert Oshel <robert.oshel@...> wrote:
Mark,

Thank you for blocking all messages sent from non-members with .ru domains to +owner addresses. 

In response to Andy's comment, maybe allowing them could be made an option for each group, but even in the absence of doing that, blocking the +owner mail from .ru seems greatly beneficial on balance.  My co-moderator and I really appreciate it!

   Bob

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 7:45 AM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hello,

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 12:21 PM Robert Oshel <robert.oshel@...> wrote:
My co-moderator of the WPCA group and I have been receiving numerous spam messages in Russian from "Aleksandr via group." with email addresses from "info=b2b-utc.ru@groups.io", "info=s2.b2b-utc.ru@groups.io", "info=s9.b2b-utc.ru@groups.io", and similar addresses.  I don't know if anything can be done about this, especially if Aleksandr's addresses are spoofed, but I want to report it.

As a reminder, you can set your subscription so that you only receive emails sent to the +owner address from members of your group.

That said, we're now dropping all messages sent from non-members with .ru domains to +owner addresses.

Thanks,
Mark 


Re: Unexpected muted topic message in the middle of a topic #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 08:16 PM, Paul Kanevsky wrote:
The funny thing is that this is just part of the problem: this is a single screen shot, showing a single topic in the browser. For some reason, one message appears as 'muted' (73008), and the next message after that seems to start a completely new listing of the same topic, but in the opposite date order, 20 per page (my default setting is 100 per page). It's a very strange behavior, and I can't tell if message 73008 is real or not, or why it shows up the way it does.
OK - I can see what you are saying with the exception that it's that way regardless of whether I am logged in to Groups.io or not.  It looks like some corruption in message #73008 that is causing the issue. Definitely one for Mark to look at I think.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 05:02 PM, Paul Kanevsky wrote:
Using browser and web interface (desktop and mobile, Chrome and Safari)
It's the same in the app too.

Andy


Re: Spam messages from "Aleksandr via group." #misc

 


>>> I could be wrong on this, but it seems the moment one clicks on "Join" the system treats them as "members" right-away  ...  it seems to me their messages wouldn't be subject to this new restriction.


Another clue that points to this taking place is even if the admin sets their +owner email option to "members only" they still get the reply to the pending notice sent from the applicant.

Cheers,
Christos


Re: Spam messages from "Aleksandr via group." #misc

 


>>> Mark's message says that all messages to your "+owner" address from Russian (.ru) addresses will now be blocked.

Not quite; Mark's message said from non-members, not from everyone from that domain.


>>> If those replies during the joining process are blocked they will never be able to join!

I could be wrong on this, but it seems the moment one clicks on "Join" the system treats them as "members" right-away albeit not yet approved (provided of course "Restricted Membership" is ON).  This is why even if they haven't been approved yet, they can still set their group subscription message delivery options, I mean they are landed in that group subscription page after all, to me that means they are "members" but not yet fully capable (i.e. approved) of "accessing" all group functionality.  So it seems to me their messages wouldn't be subject to this new restriction.

I guess Mark would have to clarify what happens in this special case.

Cheers,
Christos


Re: Unexpected muted topic message in the middle of a topic #bug

Paul Kanevsky
 

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 02:40 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
I am guessing that you think a message is muted in this example as the message sequence numbers are not consecutive.  There is no evidence here that message #73009 exists.   My other observation from the screenshots is that the items per page is set to 100 in the first example but 20 in the second. Can you confirm these views are actually taken from the same account?  
The funny thing is that this is just part of the problem: this is a single screen shot, showing a single topic in the browser. For some reason, one message appears as 'muted' (73008), and the next message after that seems to start a completely new listing of the same topic, but in the opposite date order, 20 per page (my default setting is 100 per page). It's a very strange behavior, and I can't tell if message 73008 is real or not, or why it shows up the way it does.

Here's the thread, try it for yourself (just make sure to sort it in date-decreasing order):

https://groups.io/g/Losmandy_users/topic/83484031?p=Created,,,100,2,0,0

Regards,

    -Paul


Re: Spam messages from "Aleksandr via group." #misc

Andy
 

Dave,

Mark's message says that all messages to your "+owner" address from Russian (.ru) addresses will now be blocked.  He wasn't talking about messages sent to the regular group address.

It looks like you will need to devise another method for group sign-ups.  Or convince Mark to change his mind.  Or kiss many Russian hams goodbye.

Andy


Re: Unexpected muted topic message in the middle of a topic #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 05:02 PM, Paul Kanevsky wrote:
A few recent messages are muted, as if I muted the topic. Except that I didn't, and only some of the messages are muted this way. (See the second message in the screenshot below):
I am guessing that you think a message is muted in this example as the message sequence numbers are not consecutive.  There is no evidence here that message #73009 exists.   My other observation from the screenshots is that the items per page is set to 100 in the first example but 20 in the second. Can you confirm these views are actually taken from the same account?  

Andy


Re: Spam messages from "Aleksandr via group." #misc

Dave Sergeant
 

It depends what you mean by 'messages'. All the groups I mange only
members can reply to posts. But when somebody wishes to join they are
requested to email the owner to give some details so we can decide
whether to approve their membership. My amateur radio groups are
international and I can certainly expect members with .ru addresses. If
those replies during the joining process are blocked they will never be
able to join!

Dave

On 27 Jul 2021 at 5:26, Andy wrote:

re: "That said, we're now dropping all messages sent from non-members
with .ru domains to +owner addresses."

Although I understand the desire to cut down on unwanted junk, that
seems discriminatory.  Russia is a populous country and I'm sure there
are people there who are not 'bad actors'.  (I may be somewhat biased,
as I co-moderate a group with a rather international subscriber base so
I have had to think more cosmopolitan.)

Andy

http://davesergeant.com


Re: Spam messages from "Aleksandr via group." #misc

Robert Oshel
 

Mark,

Thank you for blocking all messages sent from non-members with .ru domains to +owner addresses. 

In response to Andy's comment, maybe allowing them could be made an option for each group, but even in the absence of doing that, blocking the +owner mail from .ru seems greatly beneficial on balance.  My co-moderator and I really appreciate it!

   Bob


On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 7:45 AM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hello,

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 12:21 PM Robert Oshel <robert.oshel@...> wrote:
My co-moderator of the WPCA group and I have been receiving numerous spam messages in Russian from "Aleksandr via group." with email addresses from "info=b2b-utc.ru@groups.io", "info=s2.b2b-utc.ru@groups.io", "info=s9.b2b-utc.ru@groups.io", and similar addresses.  I don't know if anything can be done about this, especially if Aleksandr's addresses are spoofed, but I want to report it.

As a reminder, you can set your subscription so that you only receive emails sent to the +owner address from members of your group.

That said, we're now dropping all messages sent from non-members with .ru domains to +owner addresses.

Thanks,
Mark 


Unexpected muted topic message in the middle of a topic #bug

Paul Kanevsky
 

A few recent messages are muted, as if I muted the topic. Except that I didn't, and only some of the messages are muted this way. (See the second message in the screenshot below):

  1. Using browser and web interface (desktop and mobile, Chrome and Safari)
  2. Muted Topics menu shows that You have no muted topics
  3. Muted Hashtags shows that You have not muted any hashtags
  4. Message showing ×Your message has been sent instead of the actual message from the poster (I didn't send any messages)
  5. Clicking on "Unmute this Topic" button doesn't seem to do anything, same strange message remains
  6. I'm the group owner
If I log out from GIO and go to the same topic, I can see all the messages without any muted content. 


Re: Spam messages from "Aleksandr via group." #misc

Andy
 

re: "That said, we're now dropping all messages sent from non-members with .ru domains to +owner addresses."

Although I understand the desire to cut down on unwanted junk, that seems discriminatory.  Russia is a populous country and I'm sure there are people there who are not 'bad actors'.  (I may be somewhat biased, as I co-moderate a group with a rather international subscriber base so I have had to think more cosmopolitan.)

Andy


Re: Spam messages from "Aleksandr via group." #misc

 

Hello,

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 12:21 PM Robert Oshel <robert.oshel@...> wrote:
My co-moderator of the WPCA group and I have been receiving numerous spam messages in Russian from "Aleksandr via group." with email addresses from "info=b2b-utc.ru@groups.io", "info=s2.b2b-utc.ru@groups.io", "info=s9.b2b-utc.ru@groups.io", and similar addresses.  I don't know if anything can be done about this, especially if Aleksandr's addresses are spoofed, but I want to report it.

As a reminder, you can set your subscription so that you only receive emails sent to the +owner address from members of your group.

That said, we're now dropping all messages sent from non-members with .ru domains to +owner addresses.

Thanks,
Mark 


Files sometimes missing when Files listing is sorted by "Type" #bug

Andy
 

I'm afraid I am a little vague about this.

In one of my group's File folders, there are about 815 different files.  Some are .ZIP files, some are .PDF, some are others, and many are folders (subdirectories).  I was looking for one particular subdirectory, but now they are interspersed among all the files and I didn't want to page through many pages of listings and search each page (web browser's ctrl-F) for the one I'm looking for.  To make it easier, I clicked "Type" near the top, to sort the listing by that column.  That put the regular files first, so I clicked "Type" again to reverse the sort order and make the Folders come first.  All good so far.

To my surprise, the folder I'm looking for is nowhere to be found.  No sign of it.  Not only that, there are no .PDF files either, but I KNOW there should be a few.  Where did they go?  Where did my subdirectory go?

I clicked "Name" to go back to the default sort order, and eventually found the folder I was looking for.  It is there.  But not there when I sorted by "Type".

Then, for kicks, I clicked "Type" again, but just once.  Then went to the last page and -- surprise! -- the .PDF files are now there!  I also started paging backwards, and -- what do you know -- the folder I was looking for is there too!  So it's there when "Type" is in one order, but it is missing when it's in the other order.  (If it's not missing, it is mixed somewhere among all the regular Files.)

I'm having some trouble making this 100% repeatable.  But I think I can never find the subdirectory I'm looking for, when Type is clicked twice so that the little arrow points down.  What is going on?

Andy


Re: All sorts of surprises just now #bug

 

Hi Mark,

Please let me know if you see any other gremlins
I just noticed a weird one, a reply to the Welcome Notice (quoted) in one group by someone with the gio munged address, saying they never subscribed.

I checked and that email address in not in that group, present or past.

Seems the Welcome Notice message was sent to them on Jul 24, 2021, at 7:30 PM (based on the quoted text), and they replied on 7:52, same time as it was logged in the log under "Message to +owner" (as it would normally be when a member sent it), but there was no attempt by that address to join, nor there is anything else in the log anywhere (besides the above entry), either on the main or the subgroup logs or under "Non-member message" where the typical spam log entries show.

I didn't reply to it (and told the other mods not to, just in case) but it does look legit, I can send the pertinent info off-list.

Cheers,
Christos


Re: All sorts of surprises just now #bug

 

On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 1:09 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
I had just typed a bug report with details about the Pending Members and Pending Messages having problems, possibly related to drop down boxes.  When I clicked Send, it was immediately sent to a Draft, but most of the information was gone.  I'm hoping there's a problem with the site that is leading to the problems in multiple areas, maybe related to the database connection problem seen a couple of days ago.  If not, I'll post individual reports.

Hmmm. This morning, I updated one of the 5 webservers with some changes to better log/trace database calls (as part of the work to figure out what happened the other day). The changes are supposed to be transparent, but apparently something got screwed up. I've taken that webserver out of rotation and I will need to track down the problem. Please let me know if you see any other gremlins.

Thanks,
Mark 

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