moderated Re: Changes to new basic groups #update
Regarding Mark Fletcher's changes:
Stan/jp wrote, in part:
Just a thought, but, what about creating a "Free" plan that
This seems like a good idea to me, but I can't anticipate how
Mark wants and needs to run his business.
The private group I run could exist as a current Basic group, but I chose to pay for Premium for three reasons:
1 - I greatly value the groups.io system. In terms of pure time and motion, it is worth paying for a system like this which is very carefully thought out and, in my experience, beautifully implemented, without being infiltrated by the Googleplex's data vacuuming plumbing and without adverts and extraneous stuff like Yahoo Groups. Also, I had enormously positive experiences 20 years ago with Yahoo Groups and am happy to support the guy behind it, whose social, programming and entrepreneurial experience and energies all came together to create what later became Yahoo Groups, and now this much improved Groups.io system which seems to work perfectly with HTML emails.
2 - I wanted to be able to directly add members if they had some difficulty navigating the normal system for joining.
3 - I really wanted at least one sub-group - for "Other
Topics". I used a separate Yahoo Group for this in the past and
it was a vital part of maintaining the signal-to-noise ratio of
the main group. Discussion mailing lists are potentially
wonderful, powerful, arrangements, but they are fragile. Crap on
the main list, in the eyes of the recipient, will drive people
away very quickly. This is especially so for some of the very
busy academics and management people I want in the group. In
principle this could be done with a separate private Basic group,
but I wanted it encompassed by the main group.
Some other reasons include being able to edit the archives to get
rid of extraneous quotations (I never figured out how to train
members to do this when replying) to make the archives easier to
read and search - and the simple, clear, graphic design of the
whole system. Full integration of a robust mailing list system
and web archives with web posting is a very difficult thing to
achieve - and it even has measures against viruses.
The Basic group would have been OK, though I guess eventually we
would hit the 1GB attachment limit. I have left the Chat option
open, but no-one has tried it yet. I turned off Database,
Calendar, Photos, Polls and Wiki to keep things simple. Files are
active and I guess we might use that someday. I might enable the
Wiki once we get more members. I haven't looked into hashtags but
I can imagine them being very useful if and when the discussions
become more structured than in the current early days.
Some of us have out-of-date concepts of the value of money.
USD$220 a year is about Australian $1 a day - and its worth it to
know I have a good, ad-free, long-term reliable system for running
what is always going to be quite a time-consuming project.
I think most people have no idea what it costs them to rely on
advertising supported systems. If you are not paying money for
it, you are the product. Facebook is total brilliance in
this regard - even better than network TV: there's no need to
create any programs etc. Just sell people back to their friends
and then most people, to stay "connected" have to be a part of
this advert-infested thing for most of their waking hours. The
cost of the advertising is far more than financial. It is a
pervasive suck on the psyche.