locked Re: about messages from non-members

Judy F.

Hi Mark, thanks for the note.  You definitely have a non-nerd here!  Sometimes thing are being said and if we non-nerds don’t understand what is being discussed, it hard to say that will or won’t work. 


It’s nice to have members, but I prefer to have those that will stay and not join and unsubscribe in a couple of days.  As long as the ‘guest’ subscription or whatever the final name will be allows the moderator/owner to approve it, then it sounds OK.  Like I mentioned in my other note, the buying group requires all people who join to provide the required information.  That’s why it’s important that nothing happens without being pended first. 


Also, I can’t remember reading where groups.io would be having automated messages that would go out at various times, such as when someone joins, when someone is approve, leaves group, etc.  That’s how the potential members of the buying group get the message requesting the required information.


Thanks so much for doing this and having the beta group for input. 


Judy F.

SW Florida - USA


From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:21 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] about messages from non-members


Hi Judy,


Thanks for the feedback. I'm constantly concerned about making the system as easy to use as possible, and I do worry whenever adding a new feature that it adds to the complexity of the system. I depend on people like you (non-nerds :) ) for feedback and suggestions, because I, as a nerd, sometimes don't realize when something is too complicated or techy.


As I'm sure you know, one of the 'pain points' of email groups is getting people subscribed to them. That's why I'm interested in figuring out this 'guest subscription' idea, because it could help people with subscription issues. Rest assured that any feature added will not compromise the owner's complete control of their group, including who can post and who can subscribe.





On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 5:03 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Mark, since all groups aren’t used as discussion groups, so to speak, I would like for you to keep something in mind.  I moderate a group that is a buying and selling group.


1) All messages submitted as ads and they are pended for approve my the moderator.  Once that message is approved and posts on the group, from then on the discussions is between the seller and potential buyer personally.  So the potential buyer will do a reply in the group to the seller to discuss things..  Same thing if they are sending the message through their email program.  At no time, does that conversation appear on the group again. 

2) All members are pended for approval until that member provides specific information to the group name_owner@.....  I then approve or deny that request.   No members can join by sending an email request where they would automatically be approved as a member. 

3) All photos are posted by sellers of items they had submitted an ad for.  They have to provide required information on each photo that is done by posting the photo, click Edit and then adding the information on the two available lines below the photo. 


Based on what I’ve described, will groups.io allow all of this to happen without jumping through hoops to perform?


One more thing, like I’ve said I have read all of the messages and some things I understand and others sound way to complicated and technical.  Not that they aren’t good ideas, but just too complicated and technical for those of us that aren’t super techs like Shal.  I believe that’s part of the Neo problem now.  Instead of using the philosophy of ‘keep it simple stupid’, they are providing all of these bells and whistles that a lot of the groups don’t need or want and only half work.   So many of the members, moderators and owners of the various sewing/embroidery groups on Yahoo Groups are not computer literate or very little, so hopefully you are aware of this and keep those people in mind.  Same thing with those that are visually impaired.  That was a big issue when Neo was dropped on us.  Those people could no longer navigate the groups  because no one thought about that issue when they were doing their great job of developing this new Neo.  (This was said with tongue in cheek. LOL)


There is such a diverse group of people on Yahoo Groups that use the groups for different things, I’m afraid that if they aren’t providing some type of input in this Beta (maybe because they don’t even know about this), that their needs aren’t going to be met.


Sorry this was so long.


Thanks for all the work you have already done on this new venture.



Judy Faulkner

SW Florida - USA


From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 4:08 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] about messages from non-members




If I add this feature, it will be something you can turn on or off. Here's how it would work (if turned on for your group):


A non-member sends a message to your group

It looks like a pending message to you, ie. you'll get a notification that you need to approve or reject it

If you approve it, the person is given an 'instant subscription' to your group and is set to receive only replies to their message

You will be able to see these instant subscriptions in your member list, and can unsubscribe or ban these people


A couple of things I haven't figured out yet:


There will be some mechanism to convert these instant subscriptions to normal subscriptions, which may very depending on whether the group is restricted or not (ie. requires approval before joining the group)

Does the user have to confirm their subscription or not?


Make sense? Please let me know what you think.






On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Cherrill <cdjamieson@...> wrote:

I have a question about this because I am not sure I understand.


I own a group here so does this mean that someone who isn't a member of my group can send an email to my group via instant subscription.  



I've learned that being kind is more important than being right.


On Nov 3, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

> And what should we call these? Temporary subscriptions?

Perhaps "instant subscriptions". It has a more positive connotation, and doesn't imply a time limit where there is none (they're limited to a thread, which may continue indefinitely). Or "reply-only subscriptions", which is descriptive (but a bit of a mouthful).


I like instant subscriptions.


Here's a possible hitch I've come up with. If you are not a Groups.io user at all, and send a message to a group and are instantly subscribed, you've effectively bypassed the email confirmation step and could receive email from the group without being opted-in. Do I have a confirmation step in there somewhere? Am I worrying too much about this?







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