Yes, I know what he is talking about.
But I was responding to what you said "I think users would get wise to it and realize that groups with the member count turned off are trying to hide that fact"
I find this very funny Catlady - that when you disagree with someone it is okay to state your opinion BUT when someone may disagree with you, you consider it arguing.
I was just doing as you were doing.
But I was pointing out that whether a count is on the homepage or not, it wouldn't make much of a difference to most people.